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🤨 What if Student’s Efforts DO NOT Pay Off, and Grades Still Drop?

Parents, teachers AND students, here’s an awesome comment that a student recently left me: “Hey Seth I’m a student. I am struggling in school. I am trying to do my best for the grades but I doesn’t come out right. I study but then the grades come out bad. My parents get mad at me when I do get the bad grades. On the other side my sister gets great grades when she is in 4th even though she doesn’t study. Can you plz help me??” Here I offer excellent insight for students, but parents and teachers, you’ll definitely want to see this one, because it WILL HELP YOU HELP STUDENTS. I give some practical insights and 9 solid tips that all have to do with one overarching idea, “overhauls.”
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Hey, what’s up parents, teachers and students? Parents and teachers, this one is for students because a student asked a question. Students, this one is for you. Parents and teachers, you should watch this one because it’ll give you a lot of insight into how I would specifically coach a student, because that’s what I’m going to do right now. Sao Ethan, what’s up? Students, I got this awesome email from somebody named Ethan, or comment on a YouTube video, and I don’t usually get students who comment to me. And this person specifically wrote, you know, “Hey, Seth,” here’s, here’s what they said, actually, see if you can relate to this. “Hey, Seth, I’m a student. I’m struggling in school, trying to do my best for the grades, but it doesn’t come out right. I study but then the grades come out bad. My parents get mad at me when I do get the bad grades. On the other side, my sister gets great grades when she’s in fourth grade, even though she doesn’t stud. Can you please help me?” So if you are trying your best for the grades, but it’s not coming out right, this video is for you. What’s up? My name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach. So I help struggling students, which is what I was, navigate this thing called school so you can have a great life. Not so you can please your parents, or your teachers, or do what everybody asked you to do or be perfect or anything like that, or get straight A’s or anything like that. It’s so you can have a good life. That’s the purpose of education. And we often lose sight of that. So first thing I want to say to Ethan or to any of you who are in Ethan’s situation, who reach out to somebody and ask for a little bit of help. Your honesty says a lot about you in a very good way. Your ability to say, “Hey, I need a hand here.” And that is called humility, that that is called asking for help, which is one of the hardest things to do. People who are strong, ask for help. People who tried to look strong and act strong, who never asked for help are really not strong. They don’t know how to ask for help. That’s not a sign of strength. So you are a strong person who is willing to ask for help. That is amazing. So you’re honest, you’re being honest here. A lot of people lie to themselves and lie to their parents, but you’re being honest. So I just want to start off by saying that, like, you need to understand how big that is, that in and of itself is good. So for any of you who are being honest, humble, reaching out for help, that says a lot about who you are. That’s really important. Next thing I want to say is just put things in perspective, grades are a story, we made them up 175 years ago or so we made up these things called grades. I hate them. I think they’re outdated. I don’t think they work. I don’t think they do what they’re supposed to do. I don’t think that they’re appropriate. I think that they should be done away with. We should have other ways of evaluating how a person’s learning. So grades are sorry, like you said, you are trying to do your best, but the grades aren’t showing it. I think you need to give yourself credit and effort for doing your best too, that’s important. Stop and pause the video be like, “I actually am doing my best.” And one of the things that Seth often says is, “I do my best. And sometimes my best thinks sometimes it’s horrible, but it’s my best.” That effort in doing that is what counts, because that’s what gets me to the next level. So my best doesn’t have to be perfect. So give yourself credit for doing your best. By the way, I have nine tips for you. I’m gonna get to in a second to wrap this up. So you said it doesn’t come out right for you. You’re not getting the grades that you’re trying and it’s not showing. Well, I feel for you, I went through the same thing. Other people are watching this go through the same thing. And the students that I work with day in and day out in my courses and my programs and my office, they are going through that. You said it doesn’t come out, right. That’s hard. It hurts. And you have strengths, and you have talents, and interests, and passions, and curiosities, and good things about you. But they’re not noticed by how the classroom is evaluating you. Don’t forget you have those strengths. That’s what you’re going to build your life on. But I feel for you, it stinks. It feels horrible. And as far as your parents getting mad, while them getting mad at you doesn’t give you any solutions. If they’re dysregulated, meaning their nervous systems are frustrated, then that just helps makes you feel frustrated or want to hide or get away from them or get angry or whatever. And maybe you can ask your parents to sit down with you and problem solve. I don’t know your parents, but you’re asking me for help and that’s awesome. So ask them for help. They may not know how to help though, but they do want the best for you. But you may have to sit down with them, and maybe if you say and say “Hey Mom, Dad. Can you sit down with me and help me? I want to figure this out.” Maybe that’ll help Excuse me. And as far as your sister, maybe she has great executive function and or maybe things are just easier at that age for who knows why it is. But if it’s because she has strong executive function, those things come easy. Good, that’s great for her. But she has different strengths than you, that doesn’t make her better or worse than you. You need to know that. So, alright, here we go. I’m going to give you nine tips for Ethan and any students are going through that. What does your best mean? We don’t know what we don’t know. We don’t know what we don’t know. And what I’m going to give you is nine tips. So now that you know these, these should be able to help you. Parents and teachers, I think this will help all of you. This is the coaching that I do this is the answer. One word for you today, Ethan, or any students who are going through this. It’s the end of the semester, you got a little bit of time left, you’ve got to pull your grades up. You’re doing all this work, you’re trying but it’s not paying off. One word: overhauls. That’s what I’m going to base this on. It’s not going to be easy, but it’s doable. And it’s okay that it’s not easy actually. It’s cool because it’ll help your life overhaul, that’s the word of the day. Overhauls, the word of the day is overhauls. What do we need to overhaul here Ethan and students who are in the situation? Number 1: First thing you need to overhaul in my opinion is your clutter. What kind of clutter do you have? Do you have mental clutter? Well, that’s the hardest to overhaul. So let’s put that on the back burner for now. But you do have digital clutter and you do have physical clutter, we can remove clutter. Removing clutter also means removing distractions. We have mental distractions, we have physical distractions, we have auditory distractions. So first of all, what kind of clutter in terms of distractions do you have? Do you have auditory distractions? Sounds that bug you or that get you distracted from doing your work? Get rid of them. Do you have music that you have on that’s distracting? Be honest with yourself if it’s actually distracting or helping. Do you have physical clutter? Is your room a mess, or desk a mess, or backpack a mess, or head a mess, or inbox a mess? Downsize, minimize, declutter, get rid of clutter, remove distractions and general. Declutter. Start with a clean slate. People have so much stuff and that stuff makes the mind foggy. We need to get rid of stuff that it’s cluttery, whether it’s visually cluttery, auditory, mentally clutter, physically cluttering, get rid of stuff. Downsize, minimize, overhaul your clutter. Number one. Number two. Oh and it’s going to take time, you’re going to have to take time with your backpack, time with your desk, time with all this stuff to overhaul it, clean it up. Really you’re going to have to spend a whole weekend or something doing that or several nights during the week, like hours. Do it though because it’ll give you a clean slate. It’ll help. Number 2: Next I want to say overhaul your inbox. Number two is to overhaul your inbox. Even though I said digital clutter already. Look at your inbox look at who you need to reply to, delete the emails you don’t need, and unsubscribe from things. But get a handle on especially what emails that teachers have sent that you need to be aware of Number 3: And number three, overhaul your sacred study space, your study space where you study. So I already mentioned that. Number 4: Overhaul your backpack, your folders, your papers, your supplies, your school stuff. Overhaul it. Get rid of papers you don’t need, recycle them. Get rid of supplies you don’t need, like broken pencils, anything. Dump out your backpack, see what you really have in there, see what you need to keep. You only have a month, month and a half left to school. Get rid of everything in your backpack, folders, papers, all that stuff and just keep what you need. Number 5: Overhaul your portals with a fine-tooth comb. Look through your grades, look through your syllabi, look for your teacher things, look closely. Why? Because the students I work with often miss details that are in the portals. Like right now, I’m gonna have students saying “Yeah, Seth. Yeah, we don’t have any final exams,” and I’m gonna be like, “Are you sure?” and they were like, “I’m sure.” And then we’re gonna go ahead and fine-tooth comb it and look through it and we’re gonna find out yeah, they got some final exams or final projects or final papers because they didn’t notice the details. There’s no shame in that, just know if you miss details do this. I miss details. So you got to use a fine-tooth comb, go through your portal carefully. Number 6: Advocate for yourself. What the heck does that mean? Talk to your teachers. It’s not that hard, but it is asking for help is hard. But ask them say “Hey, teach,” exactly what you said to me, “I am trying my best and it’s not working. I’m getting bad grades. How do I improve?” ask that question. Write it down right now. You should be taking notes right now as you’re watching me by the way. Ask them for a break. Say “Hey, I’m overwhelmed. Give me a break here.” You know, “How do I improve? Okay, that sounds really overwhelming, I can’t do all of it. I don’t even know where to start. Where do I start? And can you give me a break? I’m not trying to cheat. I’m not trying to whatever. This has been a hard year. Give me a break.” Be human with them and be honest. Ask them where to start. Then advocate getting a tutor, or have an older kid that you know that’s a decent student help you, or a cousin or a relative, or somebody. Just advocate for yourself to them to be like, “Hey, can you help me?” Advocating means asking for help. Which you already did with me, you asked me for help. That’s advocating and now I’m responding because you asked for help. So ask people for help. Number 7: Overhaul accountability. What that means is don’t do it alone. We don’t have to do life alone. I don’t run my business alone. I didn’t get through college alone, I almost failed in high school, I failed out of college, dropped out of a second college before I failed out. When I finally went back to college, I didn’t do it alone. What does that mean? I had accountability. What’s accountability? I had study groups, I had what’s called co-working, working with friends, working on homework with friends, working with parents, even your sister. Even if your sister’s annoying or something, you can say, “Hey, let’s work together.” And you can see things, even learning from a fourth-grader, you can see things that she does. It’s all about co-working. Co-work with your parents. Accountability means that we talk to somebody and we say, “Hey, can you make sure I do this?” Like, hey, for example, I’m learning new guitar stuff with a new guitar teacher. So I don’t always remember to practice, so saying to a friend, “Hey, can you remind me to practice? Or ask me if I’m practicing? Or can we practice together?” Whatever. So accountability, don’t do it alone. Co-work. Number 8: Eight, this is big. Number nine is the most important but eight is big overhaul. How you all study. Students listen to me. A lot of my students, when they start working with me, we find out that the way that they study is meaningless. Like let’s say I wanted to work on getting giant biceps. And I wanted to get stronger my arms. And let’s say that I was going to use these to do the exercises, I’m going to like use a marker to do the exercises. It does no good. A lot of my students are doing things like, what is the online flashcard thing? It seems like you’re doing something but it’s not doing anything, or they look at a study guide the night before or the morning of the test, that doesn’t do anything for you. Or they skim through a chapter, they don’t read the chapter. They don’t take their time, they don’t slow down, they rush through everything. They do poor quality work, they’re not learning anything. So everybody’s in such a hurry, slow down. How do you study? Overhaul how you study, But I don’t know what the problem is with any of you got to find out what is your problems with studying? Is it that you have missing work? Is that what you need and that’s bringing your grades down? Late work. If they’re always late, and you’re getting partial credit, qhat can you do about lates if they’re missing? What can you do about that particular issue? Missings? Is it that you don’t give yourself enough time to do quality work? Is it that you have anxiety about the test? You study hard and then in the test you freeze up. Well then you have to deal with the anxiety. Is that that you’re forgetful? Well, then you have to deal with how do you work with forgetfulness. Do you not redirections? Well, then you have to read directions. Ask your teacher how to study. First tip, ask your teacher how to study. Teachers will tell you in middle, high school, and college, you ask your teacher and you’ll be surprised. Ask everyone and they’ll all say, “Oh, well for my class do this for my class, do this…” Write this down, “Hey, teacher, how do I study for your class?” and see what they say. Ask them all and you’ll get some great tips from them. And you might find out that it’s easier than you thought because a lot of times that’s the case. Some of the things that I teach people to do and that I do is draw your notes. Amazingly powerful for artistic, creative visual people. So next thing, record your notes. So in other words, go home, look at your notes and record yourself on QuickTime or an audio recording and listen to them over and over. I couldn’t have gotten through college if I didn’t record my notes, I would record my notes when I got home, just in my own words. And then I would re-listen to them over and over and over when I was walking to class. Anytime, you know, when you’re falling asleep, when you’re waking up, when you’re eating breakfast, you can listen those. I couldn’t believe it. I felt like I was cheating because I remembered so much by listening to those notes. Take your time. I had to learn to study. It takes time. I couldn’t rush it anymore. I had to be proactive, meaning starting to study early. If I have a test in two weeks, I start two weeks before the test and I study periodically up until that test. I don’t just study the night before. So you have to be proactive. Use YouTube, another great tip. If you’re studying something, let’s say you’re in a chemistry class and you’re learning this lesson about a certain thing, look it up on YouTube. You’ll find some interesting YouTubers that are not your teacher that are more interesting than your teacher, or speak it in a different way. Watch multiple on that thing, you will integrate so much more depth of information. And the number one best way to study in the whole world ever is to teach other people. Having accountability, like I said, study groups, study partners, and teaching them, or teaching your parents or teaching your cousin or a friend. Be like, “Hey, I got this science test. I got this math test. Let me teach you how this work.” So you might teach somebody, you know, the some math concept and they don’t even understand what you’re talking about. But you trying to explain it to them makes your brain learning more. I’m telling you that is the number one way to learn is to teach someone. The number one way. So do that when you study. I mean it. If you want your studying to be easy, I’m telling you do that. And then as far as anxiety, if it’s anxiety, you got to find solutions that I just wanted to start with. Number 9: Last one, number nine, last one. Ethan, students, anybody, the most important thing to overall? The most important thing overall is your self-compassion. Your parents may be mad at you, coming down on you about this stuff, yelling at you, getting frustrated, asking you why? And you may give an honest answer, maybe I don’t know why I’m not doing well. I am trying. And it’s daunting, and it’s hard. You may feel pressure from your parents, you may feel pressure because you see kids around you and it seems so easy for them. It’s not easy for everybody, by the way. You may, you know, hear some of your teachers say things like “Why didn’t you turn it in? It’s late.” And you may hear just like a lot of pressure from the world, from people. And if you’re like me and you’re a square peg in a round hole, and you feel like you don’t fit in the box and you never will, well, that’s okay. And that’s good because you will find who you are. But you have to overhaul self-compassion. You have to be compassionate with yourself. You have to be gentle with yourself. You have to be kind yourself. You’re going to have an inner critic, we all have an inner critic. We all have a voice inside of us that says, “I’m so stupid. I’m so dumb. Oh, I can’t do it. Oh, I give up. Oh, I hate this. Oh, I’m bad at school. Oh, I’m bad at math. Oh, I’m bad at friendships. Oh, nobody likes me. Oh, everybody hates me. Oh, the teachers hate me.” We all have inner critics. We all have different versions of an inner critic. Mine used to say, “Seth, you’re a lazy failure, and you’re not going to amount to anything.” That’s what mine said, “I’m a lazy failure. I can’t do anything. I can’t do anything right. I’m a lazy failure.” Well, those were stories that I believed and I no longer believe it. I’m not a lazy failure and I can do things right. What I couldn’t do was do everything right the way the world expected me to. That’s okay. I had to learn self-compassion, to be kind to myself, to find what my strengths were. What are your strengths? What are you good at? If school is always a struggle, and it always has been and it always will be, okay, so be it. Still, be kind to yourself and look for what your strengths are and develop those. That is what you’re going to build a life on. So no matter how loud the inner critic gets, no matter how mean your inner critic gets, no matter how bad the things are that are in there, those are only thoughts. What’s the thought? You can’t even touch a thought. You can’t even see a thought. We don’t even know what a thought is. It’s just a thought, let it pass. Don’t hold on to those thoughts too long. And you can get help from counselors and therapists and people and friends and books, but whatever you do, figure out how to be self-compassionate. That was long video, that was an amazing question. I hope you took notes, watch it again and take more notes. Apply this stuff. If it’s the end of the semester for you, apply it now. Start with your overhauls, rethink these things. I know it’s gonna take you probably a week to do what I just said in this video. It will pay off. What was the most important one I said? Self-compassion, be okay with yourself. All of you watching, you are a good, valuable person. You have amazing strengths, talents, interests, and gifts. Maybe nobody sees them, it doesn’t matter. Build them. They will become the things that you build an awesome life out of. I promise even if you get all F’s and everything. And you do what I did and fail out of college and drop out of another college before failing out and feel like you’re a failure. Those are stories. You have a purpose here on this planet. You have some work to do to help people and to do cool things, things that give you meaning. And EGU, you never ever give up. You got this. Yes, it’s hard, but you got it. Don’t give up. If I can do it, you can do it. Take care. Have a good day.

Chat with Neuroscientist Nicole Tetreault, PhD

Parents and teachers, Neuroscientist, Author, Meditation Teacher and Speaker Dr. Nicole Tetreault and I discuss some great ideas for how to help students finish this crazy school year, what to do this summer, and how to prep for this fall. So if your child or students have Executive Function challenges, this episode is a must. Check out Nicole’s site: https://www.nicoletetreault.com/
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Seth Perler: Hey, what’s up parents and teachers? Guess what? It’s Dr. Nicole Tetreault. Say hi. Nicole Tetreault: Hi Seth Perler: And I recently got your early copy of your book here and started into it, I’m about at chapter two, “You’re Gifted.” So, “Insight Into A Bright Mind,” super stoked. Awesome. “A Neuroscientist Personal Stories of Unique Thinking.” Thank you so much for writing this to parents and teachers. The reason that I wanted to make this video today is I’m loving the book and Nicole is also going to be on TEFOS, which is coming up this August, the executive function online summit for parents. Teachers, you’re welcome to attend the summit. And I’m just loving this. I wanted to ask you something timely about what’s going on right now with finishing this crazy school year. From your perspective, with your experience with the brain and kids, and ADHD and executive function, when parents and teachers are ending the school year, what do they do that in the school year? How can we deal with the summer? And how can we deal with the fall? Because it’s been so chaotic. So anyhow, Good morning. Hi. Nicole Tetreault: Good morning. Yeah. Seth Perler: So I like to say what we’re doing, like right at the beginning, just so that people know what’s happening here on the video. But yeah, I really wanted to dive into that with you. So just real quick, like, your background in the book, what’s your experience that parents and teachers can be like, “Oh, yeah. I want to hear what she’s got to say about this stuff.” Nicole Tetreault: Yeah. So I mean, I think we know in the time that we’re dealing with transitioning out of COVID, and kind of the process of sort of doing a lot of healing, you know, I mean, from the trauma of the experience itself, I think for a person with ADHD, we know in general, for example, executive functioning, develops a little later in life. It develops asynchronously. The challenge is when you’ve gone through trauma in a stressful situation, that really hits executive functioning networks even harder. We know in standard thinking, for example, in processing to do you know, that quick, rapid thinking there are 28 brain regions involved. Yeah, 28 of these connected together, you know, allowing an executive functioning decision to happen. Seth Perler: Can I ask you this? So in terms of…, can you share that brain again? In terms of executive function, I always say, we generally believe that executive function takes place in the prefrontal cortex, or the frontal lobe of the brain right here. Are there 20 regions there that are working? Nicole Tetreault: They’re interconnected here, and then all throughout the parietal lobe, and also how you take in visual information and auditory information, and how that all plays into your memory and emotional memory. Then you have, it’s called your parietal frontal cortex. The saliency of decision-making happens here in the frontal cortex that we’re looking at. And for that to happen, a lot of networks need to be in place. And so we do know that, for example, in individuals with ADHD, that their frontal cortex really takes a little bit longer to develop. It develops later in life, asynchronously. And then we know that the motor areas in the brain develop much more rapidly. And so you know, that’s why they can have, you know, hidden enhanced motor capabilities and things like that, that can be asynchronous if this frontal cortex doesn’t know how to manage it yet. Seth Perler: For those who haven’t heard of asynchrony, that means that people’s brains don’t all develop synchronously, meaning that the different parts of the brain develop the same. So you take, let’s say, 100 kids that are in fifth grade, we might think that their brains are developmentally developing at similar rates, and they might be similar, but they are outliers. So there are parts of brains that develop differently for different kids. So that’s called asynchrony. For kids who are 2e or twice-exceptional or gifted and have learning disabilities, they can be very, very asynchronous. Where you have a kid, let’s say their ability to write an essay again, let’s just say fifth grade, is super hard. You know, they struggle, they hate writing. But they can read a book that’s maybe high school level, not necessarily maturity-wise, but like content-wise. And so these discrepancies create a lot of problems for these kids. So I just wanted to define asynchrony real quick before we go on. So and then before we go on to like what to do for this spring, and I’m sorry that I cut you off, but I think it’s really important for people watching, you use the word trauma, and I think it’s a very misunderstood word. People often think, well, that, you know, somebody went through a true giant, traumatic experience, like they were in, let’s say, in a big house fire that they escaped from or something. But you’re suggesting, and I definitely agree with you, but that this whole entire past year has been traumatic. Can you just help us understand that? Nicole Tetreault: Yeah, so the way we describe, you know, the way trauma is described is exactly how you said. It could be an experience that is acute, where somebody has a car accident, or there can be chronic trauma going on, you know, where somebody basically is suffering, going into the classroom and everyday with bullying, you know, let’s just put it on that school level. And so when we’re looking at COVID, globally, the entire world has suffered a trauma, due to the social restrictions, due to obviously health and underlying restrictions where people have passed away, people have been very ill very sick. There’s been a lot of flux, in jobs, tons of social justice situations that are in our growth that are happening right now, an awakening. And then on top of it, you have kids, where their entire systems for school have been torn away from them. And then when you get into Zoom burnout, we’re not even talking about trauma anymore, we’re just talking about total cognitive overload of being on camera all day, which is an unnatural way to interact. You’re getting a one-dimensional view of somebody where you’re not in presence of getting natural social cues. You’re looking at yourself at times, and you never would be, you’d be just talking to people and reflecting their experience back. So, I think even it’s kind of messing with our mirror neuron system where we’re not in the mirror neurons, we know, elicit when you’re in a social connection, where you mirror one another. And so I think that’s not even looking at the aspects of trauma, but for a child, for children in particular, we know that there’s been increases in depression and anxiety related to the pandemic, and there’s been in in adults as well. And we know that is going to affect the nervous system. And then on top of it, if you’re gifted, twice-exceptional, and have ADHD, that could kind of impact you even more because your standard processing can be elevated, you can have hyperarousal and so it can change a lot of things within your nervous system and your daily activities. When we were kind of talking earlier, you really pointed out like, this summer is going to be kind of a big recovery, a big time for these kids to really integrate and be kids again. Seth Perler: Let’s talk about that in a second because I want to. Yeah, so with this sort of setup, I want to get to really the meat of this in just a somewhat linear way in terms of okay now, with what how you set us up. It’s spring, it’s almost summer. So right now parents are in the final stretch, kids are in the final stretch, everybody’s in the final stretch. It’s spring fever. Everybody’s sick of school anyway, in a typical year. This year, it’s spring fever. Everybody’s sick of school. Teachers are sick of it. They’re ready for summer break. Parents are sick of it. Kids are definitely sick of it. Everybody has been through this traumatic experience. This happens anyway every year, the spring fever, but this year during the final stretch and spring fever, it is worse than I’ve ever seen it. More kids are failing, more kids are struggling, more kids are quote ‘checked out.’ Everybody gets checked out during the spring anyway, but now it’s like so bad. And what we don’t want is we don’t want the kids to fail their classes, have to retake them, bla bla bla. What are your thoughts sort of in terms of, I guess, retaining as much executive function and helping kids to, quote, ‘pass or finish the school year,’ on the best foot possible. Do you have any thoughts? First of all with that, this end of the year, this next two months. Nicole Tetreault: Yeah. So for the end of the year, these next few months that we’re looking at when it comes to spring fever, as Seth just said it, it’s so obvious that kids really check out. Teachers check out, kids naturally check out right around after the holidays, the spring break, and they’re ready. And I think what’s made it even more challenging that these kids could be struggling with is engagement. Engagement can be really altered or different right now, because they’re Zooming, because they’re not dealing with in-person interactions, because they’re having to turn things in, in unconventional ways online. They may get the assignments done, but boy, oh, boy, there may be challenges getting them in. And one thing that I think is really important, is that we don’t want these kids to flunk out, especially when they have acquired and learned the knowledge. So one thing that parents can really do, I think, is really nurture the child. And I think this isn’t a time for getting your executive functioning skills on your own. I don’t think it’s the time actually. I think it’s a time that even there may be resistance, but actually parental involvement, and gentle guidance, and even offering support to check and make sure that the assignments are uploaded correctly, having to put the extra push in a Spanish class and maybe do the note cards and kind of encourage and sit with them. And, you know, and at the same time, I do think it’s really important to allow a child to recover in this exact moment, to not override and put that crazy amount of pressure that everything in the world rides on their academic success in their grade. Because, as we all know, kids come into very unconventional paths. And more often than not, I really feel the ADHD kids, standard educational systems and quantifications of their success, really do underserve how gifted and how truly remarkable their brains and minds are. Because a lot of what you’re tested for in school is executive functioning, it’s not testing the standard ADHD child who tends to be more creative, more in their mind, more excited by their environment, and in what things you know, kind of bring to their environment. And so for a parent, I think it’s really, and for teachers, is to really allow the child the space to build the strength of even their imagination that work, which tends to be in quiet opposition with executive functioning. The way that I want to explain that to you is that often when you’re in your imagination network, that’s called your ‘default mode’ network, it’s the brain network that’s really responsible for your daydreaming, your imagination, is on while you’re meditating, you’re sleeping, when you’re deep, creative, hyper flow. I really want to encourage parents to embrace that type of way of being for these kids. So often they get pushed out of that natural state of being in that default mode that work and push, push into executive functioning and get X, Y and Z done. And not to say that it is not important to teach kids deadlines and getting things in on time or, you know, studying on a final, but I also think that there needs to be extra communication with teachers to allow flexibility, and to allow a child say for example, they kind of blew it. Spring hit, they’re doing a little more, they want to be outside more, they want to do other things and maybe they’re behind five assignments, and the school has a policy of no turning in late work. I would really advocate that parents talk and communicate and say, “Look, my kids struggling, we need to add in some support here. They’re going to get the work done. Can we look at different schedules and different ways we could turn in assignments?” And so I think that’s something that’s really important. The other thing too is a child could flame out by missing five assignments, let’s say, and that’s not going to be any reflection that they didn’t obtain the information. So I think, let’s really see how they obtain the information and let them turn it in. And at the same time, I also think homework needs to kind of lighten up a bit because these kids are spending so much time on their screen that they do need time to recover from that. And they need time, they need time to be in the optimal way their system responds and experiences the world. Seth Perler: Those are awesome. Thank you so much. And just to recap, I think what I heard you say is, first of all parents can do some of the executive function things for their kids and that’s not cheating. You can if you have the time, and you understand the tech, and you can just turn it in for them in two seconds, and it would take them 10 minutes, or they’d forget it and they’d have zero or whatever. There is nothing wrong with that. And same with organizing things. I have kids that are now getting into hybrid. Now they’re going back to school, right now in April. Well, now they have to deal with actual physical papers now and they haven’t been practicing that skill. So for parents to organize the stuff for them, and things like that, to email the teachers for them. This is not cheating, there’s nothing wrong with that, for those of you who might think there is. That support can really, and this is what you got to next Nicole, can really allow them to focus on the learning, which is why they’re there not to prove that they can do all these things. And then another thing that you mentioned, this is a true story from yesterday, one of my teenage girls that I coach, she was telling me how she was so stressed because she had just turned something in, it was late, the teacher gave her half off, 50% credit. And then she has a final giant project that’s, that’s due and she’s already late on it. So she just doesn’t have the motivation to do it and she’s so worried that she’s not going to get into, and she’s a sophomore, and is so worried she’s not going to get into the college she wants and that her grades are going to be bad. My response to her was, who cares? Who cares about your grade? Who cares if you even fail it, or get a C or a bunch, that’s not going to keep you out of college. I failed out of college, I dropped out of a second college before I failed out, I still ended up getting back into college. You know, it’s like, what if you don’t get in? She said about her college of choice and stuff. We have these stories about these things. And it’s like, who cares? I care about your mental health. That’s what I’m worried about here. She was so anxious. And it’s like, that’s what matters right now is what you need right now. For the teachers watching, if you like knock off 50% of a grade for being late, I’m telling you just rethink where you got these messages in your training or your upbringing, and is it accurate? And is it necessary right now? I it really infuriates me just to see a kid like this who’s struggling, and then they’ve worked really hard on it and they finally got in late, and then they’re punished with 50% off. Does that mean that they learned 50% less? No, they probably worked harder than a lot of people to get that thing in. And then how daunting it is to like finish the final project and know that you’re only going to get 50%? It’s just, it’s, it’s like what are we doing? I’m not a fan of grades anyway, I think they’re morally wrong. But so I just wanted to recap that. If I missed anything, let me know. But then this is awesome, and then you also said really focus on your… Nicole Tetreault: Can I just jump off of what you said? Seth Perler: Please, yes. Nicole Tetreault: I think it’s so valuable, the story you shared. Because the other thing that’s really, really critical is that having a child come into the classroom, or a young adult, you know, adolescent age, when you’re telling somebody that you get 50% of work, and they’re already activating stress circuitry. Learning is directly inhibited. So you’re basically causing that child, that well adolescent now, to not learn, first of all. Second of all, it also really interferes with their motivation and their self-esteem. You know, that when we talked about trauma early on, getting a grade that you’re barely passing, I mean that’s 50%, you’re getting an F still point wise. Basically, it’s just saying it didn’t matter, you did this. And the self-esteem, the recovering from that self-esteem can take years. So I think it’s really important what Seth pointed out, that this is mental health that we’re looking at. When you have a child who has literally different wiring for their executive functioning, and their ability to finish projects in a different type of manner, you’re punishing them for a way that really is innate in their being. It’s not in their ability to be any different. I really, really would like to push teachers with your message as well, to really reevaluate and to think about when somebody turns in something late. I understand, it may not be fair to the other kids who turned it in on time. But maybe instead of 50% off, looking at maybe 10 points, and really grading the student on their ability of the work that was produced rather than their ability to turn work in under an arbitrary deadline. Seth Perler: I think that’s a great point too If you really insist on making it have the story about fairness, again, I’m going from a premise that grades are archaic anyway. So I’m different in how I would approach that, but yeah, five points, two points, one point. It’s got to feel like it can be a win for them. Nicole Tetreault: Yes. Seth Perler: You know, or a point today, not 25% a day, but you know, like, rethink it. I love how you said ‘rethink it,’ like make it and make it a success experience. So this is awesome and I love the way you articulate things. Now we’re getting into summer, and a lot of times during the summer, parents are worried about summer reading lists, summer homework, keeping up with things, camps, blah, blah, blah. What I had mentioned to you before earlier was like executive function over summer, but not that it feels like it. I think it’s so important that oh my gosh, talk about the word decompression or pressure cooker and taking off the pressure valve on a pressure cooker. This summer, what are your thoughts to parents and teachers as they’re planning for the upcoming fall? And then we’ll talk about fall in a moment. But this summer, teachers will be planning for their fall, even though we don’t know what that’s going to look like. The teachers spend a lot of time during the summer working towards their falls. And then parents and their kids this summer, what kind of thoughts pop into your head that we need to take note of? Nicole Tetreault: Yeah, um, well, one, I mean, a lot of thoughts pop into my head. But to break them down, first and foremost I think for teachers and for students is finding your resources. Find the things that you love doing, and do them, and do them a lot. That’s going to really kind of rebalance and recenter your nervous system that has been so hurled into shock over the past year. And I think when I say with teachers, you know, a lot of the people we talked about self-care and and things like that. And really offering yourself the space to not be a teacher, author yourself the space to think about caring for what your day-to-day needs are, and how can you kind of create and help your mental physical and emotional and intellectual health? What are things that stimulate you? And and where do you see yourself wanting to grow as a human being and grow as an educator, and to really help expanding the minds of the next generation. Really giving yourself a gift of a pause, to really, put down the textbooks put down the teaching hat and give yourself the gift to be in your surroundings and do what you love. If it’s hiking, taking long walks, reading different types of books, whatever it is, playing the guitar, you know, I see you have all those beautiful guitars behind you, whatever it is. We’re getting to kind of gather again and go to concerts. So really things that kind of uplift you. Then for families, it’s going to be really a different summer than last summer because I feel like we’re like breaking out of our chrysalis, you know, and moving into the butterfly state where we’ve been cocooning. Seth Perler: And you had mentioned the word transitions way earlier before the interview. Yeah, so this might be a good time also. I think that’s what you’re talking about, but I just wanted to bring that back. Nicole Tetreault: Yeah. Exactly, like we’re, we’re in a state of transition, half of the population, maybe a little less, I don’t know, the stats right now, in this moment, but we’re getting vaccinated. We’re able to go back out again and gather as a society. For example, in California, the hope is everybody’s going to be vaccinated who wants to be at the end of the May, early June. And so that takes a transition to just, what was life like, when we went to the grocery store and it was much more crowded? What was going to the park like, and, you know, playing with a kid on the playground? What was that like? We’ve been so recluse and so I think there’s going to be a little bit of transitioning and growing in terms of social. I talked about it in my book, social attention, what is social and emotional connection? And how do we kind of move in that direction? The other thing with transitioning out of school for these kids and into summer, is really allowing them moments of rest. What I love that you put is, executive functioning doesn’t have to be, you know, something that is a muscle you’re kind of pushing on every day, but it could be just sort of lifting light weights Like helping mom and dad organize the refrigerator, helping clean out the garage, helping organize your room. But not so much to where there’s this end goal, but it’s just kind of gently practicing and building these muscles in your mind and body connection. And I think the other thing that I think is so critically important is, again, for kids to give them activities that they love, that focus on that strength based model that Dr. Susan Baum has developed with her colleagues at Bridges, Bridges Academy. I think it’s just so important that when kids are building that muscle strength, things that they naturally love, there is nothing you’re doing wrong. You’re doing everything right because you’re building the natural neural networks that they have that are unique to them, and they’re able to kind of flourish in their natural ways of being. I think the other thing is to also get them in those activities that they love with kids that like the same types of things. Naturally, those social connections will kind of flow based on the enrichment and the engagement of the activity they’re doing. And then, you know, finally, to give them a break. Not unlimited, not, I mean, give them a lot of time to explore those imaginations. Give them a lot of time to process things in the way that they would. And I know you mentioned these summer reading lists and getting through the summer reading list. And, you know, if you have a kid who doesn’t like to sit there for hours, try audiobooks, try something different. Give them ways to learn that information where it doesn’t feel like a challenge, but it feels enjoying, enjoy and engaging. Seth Perler: Thank you. And I definitely want to mention to what you mentioned earlier about advocacy. If you have a kiddo and you’re like, “We really don’t want to be doing the summer reading list, the summer this homework, or this.” Feel free to email the school and whatever and speak your truth. Like if you’re like, my kid needs to not even think about this for weeks. For parents that are highly driven, and highly driven by task lists and checking things off, and your kid struggles with executive function, their brain isn’t yours. And they really do need healing decompression time. Like they need really, I think kids really, I really hope they get like a month where they don’t even think about any of this stuff, just really need spaciousness. Okay. Awesome. And then let’s wrap up. Nicole Tetreault: I think you’re totally right. And can I just, I want to add to that because I think it’s so important. Seth Perler: We could probably talk for hours, right? Nicole Tetreault: Yeah. But I also think the advocacy piece that you said too is so important because you could also turn it into, “My kid wants to do this, you know, my kid wants to build a Lego village.” Right, um, let them bring that in as their summer project, let them share something that is meaningful to them, that’ll change. I think, yeah, I know, maybe the summer reading, we throw that out this summer. And kids come back and say, “This is what I did with my free time,” and you learn about all their natural strengths and things, and then that will better inform the teacher how to teach them in the fall. Seth Perler: That is an awesome point. And then that brings me to the, yeah, that was that page that I was looking at here with the common strengths, and you list all these things. But when you were just talking, I was thinking, even building forts in the woods is like, amazing. And people wouldn’t look at that and say, “Oh, my gosh, so much learning and brain work.” But yes, it did. And I love that you have like, this is on page 67. But you’re talking about these common strengths. And you’re saying eloquent verbal expression, highly imaginative, distinctly creative, innovative problem solver, thinking outside the box, internally motivated, blah, blah, blah, highly empathetic. So there are things even with something like that, where they could be having interactions with people. And if you think about, like, multiple intelligence theory, and they’re having all these interpersonal connections, and nobody would think, “Oh, my gosh, that’s a summer project,” or there were, but yes, they’re developing incredible skills that may make them really good at what they do, and in the future. So there’s just ways to really and I think that that’s an awesome idea, because teachers can. Yes, look at that, what’s your own choice, quote, project that, that you did, but it’s we so go through the filter of math, science, social studies, language, arts, blah, blah, that in terms of if we were to look at, like a list of what their strengths are, that’s where a mind would initially go. Now, when it’s the things I think when you’re like bragging about your kid, and like, my kid, is so good at this thing or that thing. And it’s not like one of those, you know, math, science, social studies type things you’re like, you’re just really authentically talking about what you love about your kid. Like, that’s a lot of their strengths to develop. Nicole Tetreault: Yes. And when you see your kid, when you’re like, you’re so different than me, and you’re so amazing for it, I think that’s what we forget. They are not. Your kid is not a clone of you, your kid never will be. And they are here to teach you lessons on how to be better and how to think differently. Seth Perler: Cool. And then as fall starts, and we start this new, brand new school year, kids are going to be in their next grade and all this stuff. They’ve just been through this trauma, some healing, certainly not done healing. And there’s going to be, I think, a big inclination for a lot of people, because we’re so patterned, well-intended people, but excuse my phone, but to it’s going to be an inclination to get back to whatever normal and get things back how they were. And what do you think we should sort of get back to things as quick as we can? Or should we enter this fall a little bit differently? Nicole Tetreault: Yeah, I mean, well, we were talking about summer transitions, I think fall transitions apply as well. And I think, first of all, we’ve hit a level of a new normal, and the summer is going to be another new normal, and the fall is going to be another new normal. And I think that with our past information, and everything we learned is that we need to pace it, you know, and allow, allow time for transition. Because I think if we, you know, some kids, I mean, we hope kids are all going to be back in school in the fall. You know, that I think that’s the hope. But I think, you know, with the way this pandemic has been, there are still so many different things up in the air. You know, we’re getting vaccinated, we’re hoping it’s effective and we’re feeling it is, but also be open to things taking time for transitions. Taking that time that we still don’t know. We’re all doing our best with the model. And I think, yeah, I think when we start the school year, you know, I really advocate lessening the homework load. Really, really allowing the kids to kind of transition to the new learning style of being in the classroom and being in presence. I think it’s really important that we let the kids, you know, I think we need to ask the kids. I think that so often we want to have it solved. I think we need to ask our kids, what do you need during this transition? And maybe even schools doing giant questionnaires for their family populations. What do we need to do better? What are your kids needs this coming school year? And how can we make this new transition even better? I don’t think it’s going to be normal. I mean, I think we’re just kind of in gradations of different types of normal. And the word normal is just so weird to me, because nothing’s normal. Seth Perler: Yeah, and I have, like, three fears that come up around this. One is that we still have these things called standards and common core and standardized tests and all these things. The system, so to speak, still tells the story. And the the fear is that the teachers are still going to feel the top-down pressure to cover material, to cover the curriculum, and to cover the standards, rather than focusing on what you said. What do the kids need? What does their mental health need? What do we need during this time? So there’s top-down pressure on teachers to cover. So that’s a concern of mine, hopefully, and I know, there’s amazing teachers and principals out there and amazing leaders and a lot of the principals who are going to really empower their staff, but there’s also principals out there that are very, we gotta keep, you know, whatever our data looking like, whatever. So that’s one thing. Another fear is kind of what you alluded to, is we don’t know what’s going to happen. Well, there could be bizarre variants, there could be a, God forbid, a new pandemic, bla bla, but we just don’t know. And one thing I do know, is, I think we will be thrown curveballs because I would be shocked if we weren’t thrown a curveball as a world or as a country and this fall. And the third thing is, I forget this. So yeah, so anyhow, I just want to point those out to people just to keep, if those are concerns of yours, just keep it in the back of your mind so that we’re not shocked if things change this fall. And so that if we do feel all of this pressure that our kids have to now cover their own work, and it feels like it’s trying to get back to normal and it’s not working, advocate, advocate, advocate, advocate. Speak up. You’re not the only one. Nicole Tetreault: Yeah, beautifully said. Seth Perler: So cool. All right. Any final thoughts? Oh, I did want to ask, do you have a favorite part? Personally, that you enjoyed writing the most or was just so close to your art in there? Nicole Tetreault: Um, you know, there’s pieces, different chapters, that I really like, I loved the interview I did with Ken in the ADHD chapter. He didn’t find out he had until later in life, he was an adult with ADHD. I really enjoy the interviews with the O’Kelley family, talking about autism spectrum. And I really hope that we start looking at neurodiversity with a more inclusive lens. Yeah, and I enjoyed some of the stuff about mirror neurons and emotional intelligence. Chapter nine was fun, you know, trying to pull out the positives. So yeah, it was fun. Seth Perler: When I was talking to the student that I mentioned earlier, I was talking to her about the bell curve, and how the bell is being smashed and more and more people are outliers. And I think that that’s really important and looking at how we are trying to push all these kids through systems, school systems, that are pretty outdated in a lot of ways. With amazing teachers and well-intentioned people, but nonetheless, the bones of the system are outdated and needed 2.0 or 3.0. And, and it’s not happening. And so, but the outliers are becoming more, the neurodiverse people. I don’t know if there are more of them, or if they’re just more evident now, but either way, about what percentage of, and this is a data question. I think it’s relevant because there are so many outliers and we still are teaching to this. So I just think it’s notable to say what percentage of kids do you think really are neurodiverse? Nicole Tetreault: Yeah, so that’s a really great question. And one thing I love, when we talk about the bell curve, I also like to point out, like, we’re looking at a standard bell curve, and we’re looking at the ends here. What was really important when you have gifted and 2e kids, they’re kind of all over that bell curve. Seth Perler: Or there are many bells. So yeah. Nicole Tetreault: And I think the thing is, is that a couple of things are coming to light. Intelligence is much more expansive than what we put into the model that really centers highly on executive functioning. And so we look at that about, I would say at least 20% of the population falls into that, which includes giftedness, ADHD, autism spectrum, dyslexia, dysgraphia. And, you know, along all those lines, that is not including emotional and mental challenges, such as anxiety and depression, which I do think fit into the realm of neurodiversity as well. And so when I did the estimate in my book, putting it all together, it was more like 40%. But I do think there’s overlaps. And by a conservative measure, a lot of experts say about 20%. So, when you’re thinking about that, that’s about one in five kids in the classroom, but I think it could be a little bit more than that. Because it’s really the way an individual perceives and receives and responds to the world. And so it’s definitely, we got it, we have an army of people that are living it with really different brain wiring that provides for different behaviors and responses the world. Seth Perler: Awesome, thanks so much. And I think the relevance in that question and this stuff is that, yeah, they are different, they have different needs. It’s not cookie-cutter. And I’m just so… and I think this is why you and I do what we do. So sick and tired of seeing people suffer when they’re trying to conform to these paradigms, rather than those things conforming more to their needs. Nicole Tetreault: And also, I think the other thing is they get missed. Their natural, natural true gifts of what they offer the world get missed. Seth Perler: Yes. Nicole Tetreault: I think that that in itself does such a disservice where you can, a lot of these kids suffer from low self-evaluation, feeling low self-efficacy. And so the more that we can see their strengths and build their strengths, and bring in supports where they need help, the better the world is because they feel good about themselves. And they help us with things that we haven’t thought of. They think about things in such a different way and communicate. And I think it’s so important to see these perspectives because it helps all of the world. Seth Perler: Yeah, then they can really shine, shine their light rather than spend years trying to figure out who they are and unlearn things. And well, cool. Well, thank you so much, Nicole, I really appreciate you any final words before we go or? Nicole Tetreault: Final words is so much gratitude for you and to be here with you today. It’s been awesome. And I’m really proud of all the work you’re doing to help these people. It’s just it’s so incredible the work you do in the lives that you’re making such a difference. Seth Perler: Thank you. And likewise, thank you. Thank you. Alright, everybody, have a good day. Oh, I don’t even know if I introduce myself. I’m Seth, SethPerler.com. You can get freebies and stuff on the blog and you like this, hey, put your thoughts in the comments. What do you think? Give it a thumbs up because of the algorithm and all that stuff. I’m a bit cynical about it. But seriously, have a great day. Go connect with your child. Take care.

How To Advocate for Neurodivergent Children

This week my vlog is a bit different! I made a special video for my dear friend Debbie Reber of the TILT Parenting Podcast, my FAVORITE parenting podcast. Here she asked me to respond to this question: “WHAT CAN WE ALL DO TO KEEP THIS PARADIGM SHIFT TO ONE OF MORE INCLUSION FOR NEURODIVERGENT CHILDREN MOVING FORWARD?” I put a LOT of thought into this and tried to articulate a great response, and I think you’ll get a lot out of it. Please comment and let me know your thoughts.
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Parents and teachers, what’s up? It’s me, Seth with SethPerler.com. I’m an executive function coach and I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that they can have good life. If you’ve been following me for any period of time, you’re gonna love this vlog today. And if you’re new to me, I think you’ll like it too. So parents and teachers, this one is different than what I normally do. I’m recording a special thing for Debbie Reber, my favorite podcaster in the education world and in the parenting world. You will get to see what I’m sharing with her, and that is going to serve as my vlog for today. So, at this point, Debbie’s editor, if you want to cut out everything before that. So hello, Debbie Reber, thank you so much for asking me to celebrate this special occasion with you today, five years of your podcast. It is an honor that you have asked me to share some of my thoughts on this special edition of your podcast today. And I want to thank you, Debbie Reber, for everything you contribute to the world of parenting and kids, and into the world in general. You’re an amazing person and thank you so much for how you show up in the world and what you bring to the world and all of the effort, and time, and energy, and heart that you put into sharing your message with the world. So thank you, Debbie Reber. Debbie, you asked me this question, to respond to this question. What can we all do to keep this paradigm shift to one of more inclusion for neurodivergent children moving forward? So how can we keep the paradigm shift moving forward? Well, I have six points that I want to cover today. I really thought about this. For everybody listening, I put a lot of energy and time into this and really thought about it. This is an excellent question. What can we do? And here are the six things I think we can do. Number 1: The number one thing that we can do is remember the why. Why are we here? Why are we doing education in the first place? Why do we teach kids? Why do we have school? And there’s this great quote that I’m sure you’ve heard from Rob Siltanen. So it is Siltanen, not Steve Jobs, technically. And it goes, “Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes, the ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, about the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do.” And our neurodivergent kids are these people, they are so important. We need them. We need to educate them in terms of helping them become who they are. So the first thing I want to mention in terms of remembering the ‘why.’ There’s a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure on new parents and teachers and professionals and all of us out there. And what we are not doing in terms of the ‘why,’ we don’t need to focus on the pressure of grades and good grades, and pleasing others, and compliance, and education, and having kids do what they’re told, and following instructions, and be a good little boy or a good little girl, and just listen and sit still and don’t rock the boat. Get in line, be normal, make your adults proud, know your place, conform to our expectations, get good test scores, go to college, all of these things. While there may be value in them, that is not the ‘why.’ So conforming to those pressures is not the ‘why.’ What’s the ‘why’? Why do we educate our kids? What do we want for our kids? Educare, education as you say in the Latin root, the etymology of this word means to ‘bring up, to lift, to raise, to lead out, to launch.’ We want to raise our kids, we want to bring our kids up. Listen to the words we say, “I’m bringing up my kids. I’m raising kids.” What does that mean? Upward motion, up up up. Not down, not stifled, not stuck. How do we bring people up? How do we help our kids launch a good life? How do we help them fly? How do we help them self-actualize? How do we use education to help them self-actualize and serve at their highest capacity, where they’re aligned with who they are and what they’re good at, with exactly who they are? How do we teach them to think for themselves? To question things, to create things, to use their gifts and their strengths and their talents and their interests to have a life of purpose and meaning where they can serve at their highest capacity aligned with those things. That’s the ‘why.’ So remember the ‘why,’ educare. To lift. The why. Why are we here to lift them, to raise them, to bring them up? Not to get them to get good grades and test scores, and conform and all these things. We’re here to help them shine. Number 2: The ‘can’t’ and the ‘won’t.’ What can we do to keep the paradigm moving forward? Remember the can’t and the won’t. See, what happens is that a lot of these neurodiverse kids are misunderstood. They are seen as that they won’t conform, they won’t do what they’re told, they’re being lazy, they’re not trying hard enough, they don’t care, or whatever. They’re often misunderstood as that they won’t do certain things when in fact, they often can’t. And when they can’t do certain things they’re being asked to do, our job if we want to keep the paradigm moving forward is to create systems and supports and education that looks at the can’t and says, “How can we help them?” Not, “How can they try harder to conform to us?” Ask, “How can we conform to their legitimate needs to help them get what they need in order to have a great life?” So remember, there’s an important distinction between the can’t and the won’t. Number 3: Question everything. If we want to keep moving forward, we need to question everything. So there’s a quote, “Once in a while, it really hits people that they don’t have to experience the world in the way they’ve been told to,” by Alan Keightley. We don’t have to experience the world in the way we’ve been told to. So the way schools are set up, we have grown up in the world is seeing them how they are and it seems like that’s the only way. But imagine there was no such thing as school ever. It had never been invented. What would you do to create it? If grades didn’t exist, grade levels didn’t exist, subjects didn’t exist. What subjects would you create? Would you do it by subject? And what would you do to create schools or education or something to raise our kids up? Now, how can we question everything? Well, I think it’s important for us to question everything in the education system, to question grades, to question grade levels, to question how the system is set up. But when we think about these things, I think it’s important for us to work backwards. What I mean by that is this. What do we want the school to do? Well, like I said before, I wanted to teach kids how to think for themselves, how to question things, how to create, how to be self-learners, things like that. And what do we all want for our kids? Well, the thing I’ve heard more than anything is parents say, “I just want my kid to be happy. I just want my kid to be successful.” What the heck does that mean? We want our kids to be happy, healthy, and successful. We need to think, what does that mean? What does it look like when a child has grown up and they’re happy, healthy, and successful, and contributing member of the society they’re serving, they’re aligned with who they are? What does that look like? And then we can reverse engineer and see “Well, how can we design educational approaches that can help them be that help happy, healthy, contributing, successful person? That’s what we all want. Question everything is number three, question everything. Pretend none of this existed. When you get a gut feeling that something’s off, it probably is. Question it. Number 4: Speak up. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “Our lives begin and end the day we become silent about the things that matter.” And a lot of times parents and teachers are shushed, are told, you know, “We’ve got this.” You know, are told that our voice is really not that important. And it’s hard to stand up to big power and speak what seems like a little voice. But we have to do this. Well how do we speak up? How do we advocate for our kids? How do we do this? We’ve got to be the squeaky wheel. Connect with each, other make grassroots groups, make clubs, connect with like-minded people, create meetups, be the squeaky wheel. Speak up, connect with others, take action now. Literally now. Stop the car, stop the podcast, whatever. What can you do to connect with people and raise the vibration, raise the voice and to speak up? Connect and speak up. Number 5: Debbie talks about this a lot. Do our own deep inner work. If we want to move the paradigm forward, we’ve all got stuff. We’ve all got dysfunction, maladaptive patterns, things we’ve grown up with that are not working. The problem is we don’t always do our deep inner work and we don’t always question those things. But if we really want to help our kids, it’s so important that we address our own traumas and things like this. So Abraham Maslow said, “What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.” So whatever your deep inner work is, your meditation, your prayer, your journaling, your therapy, your support groups, you’re reading books from people who inspire you, what can we do to do our own deep inner work? To work with our challenges, our things that are often really hard to work with. But once we do, it models it to the kids, it helps us be better for the kids, it really helps them. I can’t say enough about this. Do our own deep inner work, the challenging work. That’s number five. Number six, the last one. Let me review these before I do this. Number one was remember the why. To lift, to raise so that they can launch. Number two, the can’t and the won’t. We need to know when it’s a can’t and when it’s a won’t. Help our kids compassionately, empathetically. Number three, question everything. If it doesn’t seem right, it probably isn’t. Just because it’s the way it is doesn’t mean it’s the way it has to stay. Number four was to speak up. Advocate, connect to do that. Number five is to do your own deep inner work. Number 6: The last one, the last one. What’s it really, really all about? What’s it really all about? You might be surprised by this, but I think that all of us would agree that what it’s really about is love. Love, the relationship. Our relationship with our kids, whether you’re professional, a teacher, a parent, our relationship with our kids, we do it because we love them. We care about these human beings, we want to see them have a great life. This is about love. We don’t often say that. Teachers don’t often say, “I do this because…” well, actually they might. “I love kids.” These are expressions of love, how we help our kids. Mary Williams says this quote here, “Our deepest fears is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that frightens us. We ask ourselves, ‘who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?’ Actually, who were you not to be? You’re a child of God, your playing small does not serve the world. There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. We are born to make manifest, the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us, it’s in everyone, as we let our own light shine we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.” Now, I did not read this to be religious or to say anything controversial in terms of spirituality. I read this because of love. I think it’s a fantastic expression of love, that we love our kids. We don’t want them to play small, we want them to really shine. So number six, the last one is love. Love everybody, even the teachers that you think might be unfair, they’re doing the best they can do. So if you’re a parent, and you’re worried about this, approach them with love. Love yourself. Teachers, approach the parents with love. All of us, approach everybody with love. But also love yourself, love ourselves. That can be hard to do. We have our inner critics, we have our baggage, whatever stuff that we’re still working on. But love is an action, love ourselves. And of course, love our kids. Again, love is not just a feeling, it’s an action. In terms of loving our kids it’s easier said than done sometimes because we can get lost in all of the static. But loving our kids, what I want to say about that is to remember to play, to laugh, to joke, to connect with our children, to listen to them, to daydream with them, to accept them 100% with unconditional positive regard. Love is an act. Connect, connect, connect, play, joy, connect. Don’t forget to spend time. These these kids, these neurodiverse kids, all kids, you know, they grew up so fast, so fast. Time is so precious, and all the time with them to connect. And again, there’s so much static and clutter and noise, and the periphery pressure as I started talking about in this discussion today. Pressures with grades, and compliance, and kids doing what they’re told, and following instructions, and be be a good little boy or girl, and pressure to sit still, and not rock the boat, and make people proud of all those pressures. How important are those? Really, when it comes down to it, it’s the time. So my last encouragement is to make time to play and connect today with your child. My name is Seth Perler, I’m an executive function coach. I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so they can have a great life. That’s why I do this. I want to thank again Debbie Reber for her contribution. Take care everybody, be well. Go connect, go play. Take care.

10 Executive Function Tips for Teachers

Teachers, here are 10 of the most important tips I can think of to help you help your students who have executive function challenges. Please share it with other teachers if you like it.
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Hello teachers, my name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach and I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that they can have a great life. And in this video, this is a resource in a series of resources that I’m creating for you. This one is the top 10 teacher tips for executive function. So if you have students who are struggling in the classroom, whether it’s virtual or in-person, you’ll be able to adapt these tips to your teaching and hopefully be able to serve your students who are struggling with executive function challenges. I do a lot of trainings for teachers, for school districts, I get a lot of emails from teachers, I was a teacher for 12 years. As a coach, I am involved with all sorts of schools, all kids of all different ages. So I’ve heard everything from teachers, in terms of what they’re struggling with, what’s working, what’s not. So these tips are really based on what I think are some of the very most important things that will help you. So I hope you find this helpful. I’ve got 10 tips for you, some of them are more abstract, and some are more concrete. But each one of them, I think, you’ll find pretty valuable. If you’re a notetaker, go ahead and get ready to take notes because this is a resource. I’m going to throw a lot at you pretty quickly. Here we go. Number 1: Close the door and teach. So a lot of times you’ll hear seasoned teachers tell you, “Close the door and teach.” What that means to me is that sometimes we just got to really shut off all of the noise. From top-down education, from standards, from pressures, and really look at the human beings that are in front of us in the classroom, and really do what we need to do for them. Close the door and teach. What I want to mention about ‘close the door and teach,’ is that I think it’s important for us educators to understand our unconscious programming. What I mean by that is that we built this system, this thing called a school system, these methods of teaching, these approaches to education, we built these things. So we can change them, we can unbuild them, we could have built them differently. It often feels like “Oh, that’s just the way it is. This is how we’ve always done it. This is all I’ve ever been exposed to in my childhood and what I see right now, so this must be the way.” But what tends to happen is teachers often get a nagging gut feeling that something’s off. When people have been teaching for a while, like seasoned teachers, they have realized that you know what, their gut has told them something was off because something was off. And they needed to adapt their teaching style, their craft, their art. There is an art and a science of teaching, they need to adapt their craft to what the kids need. They actually do know what kids need. So I really want to encourage you to close the door and teach, do what you need to do, really understand that you’ve been influenced in terms of how things are and that they don’t have to be that way. Everything we built. Number 2: To question everything. So my second thing in terms of supporting students who struggle with executive function is to question everything. What does that mean? Question grades. Why do we do letter grades? Do they work? Are they doing what we think they’re going to do? Are they motivating? Are they helpful? How are they helpful? How aren’t they helpful? Question testing, question the way we do assessments, question textbooks and curriculum, and where they’re from and who produces them, and what’s in them and how it works for the students, and question the standards and who writes them, and how mindfully they’re written and how they work for everybody. Question the topdown nature of education, question yourself, question everything. So number two is to question everything. Really ask yourself, “Why are we doing things the way we do them? Does this really make sense?” Because a lot of things we do are outdated and archaic and are not working. A lot of things are working, but really question everything so that you can get clear in your own gut. Number 3: Create success experiences. Oftentimes, there’s a lot of top-down pressure to use the curriculum, or the standards, or whatever it is that we are being asked to do. So we are using those standards, or curriculum, or guidelines, or whatever, to drive how we teach. To drive what we teach. What I want you to imagine is creating success experiences first. So pretend like that stuff doesn’t exist, what would need to happen for you to create experiences where the kids walk out of your classroom every day feeling successful? Not feeling overwhelmed or daunted or disengaged. What could we do that would make them feel successful? Because so much of what students with executive function struggles experience is that they can’t be successful. Nothing they do is good enough. No matter how hard they try, nobody notices their effort. They always have to do makeup work, incompletes, late work. It’s it’s an uphill battle for them. So imagining “Well, how could we create a classroom that is built around them walking out of there feeling like a success every day?” Number 4: Creatively differentiated curriculum. This is just a term that I use that describes differentiation, but in the way that I think works best for these kids. Creatively differentiated curriculum. We differentiate everything creatively. What does that mean? It means we give kids choices, as much choice and content process and product and environment as possible, as much flexibility as possible. If you don’t know a lot about that just Google ‘content, process, and product,’ that’s a great place to start. Number 5: Next, this is very related to the content process and product and creatively differentiated curriculum, but rubrics. If you don’t use rubrics, learn all about rubrics. Rubrics are really cool because what we want to do when we’re teaching, when we’re differentiating, when we’re teaching neurodiverse, kids, kids who have all different abilities in different domains. What we want to do is we want to give them structure, but we also want to give them freedom. Okay, those sound like the opposite things. What does that mean? When I’m designing a curriculum, I want to create a curriculum that has as little structure as possible, but as much structure that is needed so that everybody can scaffold and have these successful experiences. But as much freedom as possible, in terms of choices, process, content, process, product, environment. So we want to have a balance. Every time you’re designing a unit, you want to design that unit based on, how do I create a rubric that encompasses places where we want these kids to grow, but we want to give them some structure and some freedom, how do we balance that? So that really drives how I design curriculum is that one question. And rubrics help. So number five was rubrics. Learn to master rubrics, they’re so cool. There’s so much flexibility in terms of how you can design awesome learning experiences. Number 6: Chunking. I talked about chunking a lot. These kids who struggle with executive function, when they hear “Do your homework” or “Do your classwork” or “Do the assignment,” or whatever, it can feel very overwhelming to them. They can get analysis paralysis, they can procrastinate and not be motivated. It can feel very large, it can feel like a mountain to climb. So they need it chunked. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. The journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step. However you look at it, what we’re trying to do is make things bite-size. Again, success experiences. We need to chunk things into manageable pieces where they can be successful. There are two ways to chunk. You chunk by time, you chunk by task. You can look at some of my other videos to learn about that. But essentially what this means is, if a student has let’s say, a worksheet, we all love worksheets, right? If they have a worksheet, let’s say that has 30 problems on it, they see a lot of stuff there. They don’t see an end to it. So chunking means, well, how do we break that down so that it feels like five at a time, or a section at a time, or 10 at a time, or one at a time? What does each student need to feel successful? How do we chunk it down? Chunking by time means, you know, can they do something for 10 minutes, or 15 or 30, or an hour, or a day, or week? Like how do we chunk things in realistic, reasonable ways so that they can be successful? Whether it’s by time or by the task. So when you are designing curriculum and learning experiences, be very mindful of how you chunk things for these kids so that they can have successful experiences. Number 7: This one’s pretty concrete, this is what you’re probably looking for. This is about creating an executive function-friendly classroom. So in this concrete one, creating an executive function-friendly classroom, think about UX or ‘user design.’ When people are designing apps or programs on computers, they want to imagine the user experience. So when you, the user, are on an app or program or software that you like, what’s the experience like for you? It’s easy, it’s smooth, it’s quick. It makes sense, it’s intuitive, all of those things. They put so much energy into that. Well, unfortunately, we don’t often put that much energy into the classroom. Now, I know teachers who are very intentional about how they set up their classrooms. But are we doing it to really consider neurodiverse brains, attentional difficulties, processing issues, and executive function? In order to create a great user experience, I want you to really dive into understanding executive function, you can do that with a free teacher course, a micro-course that will really help you there. You want to create systems. And you want to work with what I call systems, mindsets, habits, and routines. So an executive function-friendly classroom, the systems are black and white. They’re easy, they’re simple, kids can understand them. The mindsets in this classroom are, “You can do this, there’s no shame here, your effort matters, everything you do matters. All of your effort, everything you try, don’t compare yourself to others,” and that’s hard to do in a system that uses grades and the way we’ve set it up. But that’s what we want in an executive function-friendly place is a place where they can have a mindset of “I can be successful, I can do this. I am seen, I am heard, I am noticed, I am understood. People take the time to actually understand me.” And the habits and routines, you want those black and white, you want them simple. You want them posted, you want them visual. The next thing that you want in an executive function-friendly classroom is an FAQ that parents and everybody can find on every email everywhere. On every assignment that explains all of your systems, all of your requirements, all of your expectations clearly, because let me tell you, parents, I mean, teachers, parents are confused. They have a lot to try to understand what’s going on in different classrooms. The kids, especially younger kids are learning to understand the different expectations of different teachers. This is big stuff and an FAQ helps. All your common questions, get them out there for everybody that makes it easy to find. Next is really think about, you know, visual, auditory, kinesthetic learners. How people learn and process information, and consider that when designing your classroom. Next thing is to have a trauma-informed classroom, meaning that a lot of your students have had different levels of different types of traumas that are impacting them all the time. Not 24/7 necessarily, but some of them. But they’re impacted by these things. Their nervous systems are always there. We don’t know what experiences our kids have had in our classroom. So really be compassionate, and empathetic, and understand that there may be trauma there that has impacted their life. And that may be triggered, and they may be experiencing, even if they aren’t showing it outwardly, their internal experience and may be experiencing that. Next thing in this type of a classroom is to ask the kids, “What do you need to make my classroom better, to make it easier, to make it easier to find my systems, to understand my expectations, and to make yourself happy, to make successful experiences for you? What would make that happen?” Ask them, they’ll give you great ideas. Next thing is to use bright, clear, big labels everywhere. Everything should be labeled clearly. Next thing is colors. Color-code things. Make everything simple. And finally, poster routine. So those are some concrete ideas about number seven, creating an executive function-friendly classroom. Number 8: Engage. When we evaluate teachers, I don’t really care for how we evaluate teachers, generally speaking, and there are some great administrators out there that are so supportive. But a lot of times people, teachers, don’t really feel supported by the evaluation. Well, what are we evaluating? What I think would be cool is if we evaluated engagement, how engaged are the kids? Because if you have an engaged classroom, there’s buy-in, there’s ownership, there’s a choice, there’s freedom, there’s creatively differentiated curriculum, there are experiences of success, there’s fun, there’s joy, there’s laughter, there’s play. So number eight is engage. And if the kids aren’t engaged when I was a teacher, my philosophy for around this stuff is if there is fault, let it be mine. The kids aren’t engaged. It’s not that they’re not trying, or they’re being lazy, or they’re unmotivated, or anything external. It’s my fault. I’m not creating an engaging, learning experience. What can I do differently? So number eight is engaged. And if there be fault, let it be mine. Number 9: Empathy and compassion. So teachers, being empathetic to how the parents and students feel, and remember who you’re serving. You’re serving them, they’re not serving you. So most teachers watching this, I’m sure you’re there, but there are a lot of teachers out there. I mean, I’m dealing with this regularly, where teachers are very rigid, not understanding, not compassionate, not empathetic. They’re very much about rules, and following the rules, and imposing rules, and the kids need to do what they’re told and, they lose sight of the human being that’s right there in front of them. So that is number nine, empathy and compassion for the parents and the students. What are they going through? Parents, oh my gosh, they’re struggling, especially during hybrid learning and things like that. They’re really struggling to understand and balance everything. This is hard. So just really understand, we don’t always know the whole story behind what somebody is going through. Be empathetic and compassionate. Always assume positive intent. Number 10: The last one for you, is to do your own deep inner work. So for me as a teacher, and as a human being, I have and continue to do my own deep inner work. My own therapist, my own journaling, my own getting trauma-informed help. Learn about trauma and how it impacts you. Learning about my nervous system, your nervous system, cymatics. Learning about how we are reactive, and we want to respond rather than react. Reacting is very blind, and we’re very programmed. Most of what we do day-to-day is very reactive. But the more mindful we get, the more we can be responsive, the more we can notice what I call, ‘the story and the body.’ The story is the narrative in our mind, how true is that story? Do we know that our stories are true? Are they 100% true? 50% true? Sometimes we make mountains out of molehills, or we misinterpret, or we misunderstand. And these kids who struggle with executive function are so misunderstood. They’re often labeled as being lazy, or not trying hard enough, or not caring about school, or unmotivated, or “You’ve got so much potential.” Well, these things can shame people. And that’s because the teacher has a story, if a teacher is conveying those messages. So changing that story can help. But we have to learn and by doing our own deeper inner work. What are our stories? What did we grow up learning? Is it correct in this circumstance? Our body, our nervous system responds to the story. How are we co-regulating? How is our nervous system co-regulating with the students that we serve? What messages is our nervous system telling them about how valuable they are? How important they are? How important it is to hear them, listen to them, and respect them, and treat them with dignity and things like that? So number 10 did your own deep inner work. If you’re taking notes, you can go back through this and replay it and take some more notes if you want, but here are the 10 things. (1) close the door and teach, (2) question everything, (3) create success experiences when you’re designing curriculum, (4) creatively differentiated curriculum, (5) rubrics, (6) chunking, (7) executive-friendly classroom, (8) engage – if there be fault let it be mine, (9) empathy and compassion, and (10) is to do your own deep inner work. So if you like this, please share it with somebody right now. Share with some teachers, or even parents that might like this. Again, my name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach, I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so they can have a great life. I want to wish you peace and joy. Take care.

Worst Spring Fever Ever

This is PART 1 ONE! Ok parents & teachers, tons of kids are now failing within the context of this, particularly crazy Spring Fever. They are, getting so “behind”, anxiety is rising, engagement is falling, too many hoops to jump through for some kids to “succeed”. Go, take action. Wishing you peace of mind, joy, and connection. This is PART 2.
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(Part 1) Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. What is up parents and teachers? By the end of this video, parents and teachers, you are going to understand why this year is the worst spring fever ever. You know, it’s March-April 2021, it’s been a bizarre year, a challenging year, just a lot of misinformation, a lot of confusion and a lot of conspiracy theories. A lot of people are telling me their perceptions of certain things that are going on in the world and their theories about stuff, and all of this stuff. It’s just been a really bizarre year but I will say this is the worst spring fever ever. Let me tell you what spring fever is parents and teachers, I know you know what it is but spring fever happens every year. In fact you might look on my YouTube channel and search for the word ‘spring fever’ and you’ll probably find a couple of older spring fever videos. It’d be interesting to see how those compared to this one. But spring fever happens every year, and in this video I’m specifically referring to not the middle of the bell curve kids but kids who struggle with executive function, who struggle to get things done, who always have missings and late work and zeroes and always catching up and all this stuff. For them this is the worst spring fever ever, and yes there are some kids who are quote ‘thriving’ who normally struggle for some reason this is working for them. Yes I’ve heard that, it’s not uncommon for me to hear that but that is not the majority. And yes, even though I may sound snarky about teachers or the system or whatever, I love teachers and I appreciate teachers. The vast, vast majority of teachers are heart-centered, dedicated, and working their butts off to do what’s right by kids. So having said all that, spring fever happens every spring. What happens is that we’re done. Teachers are done, parents are done, kids are done. We’re sick of school. What’s happened is we’ve had fall semester, we’ve gone through that, we’ve had a clean slate for spring semester, and then we’re going through spring semester. Then around spring break every year the weather gets nice, everybody is just so excited to get outside, they have new energy. Everybody just wants to be jumping. You know, we’ve just spent winter, I know some of you may be in more warmer climates but we’ve just had winter and we’re coming into spring. Everybody’s gotten renewed energy and is ready just to go out there and use that energy and do fun stuff. Summer break can’t come soon enough for anybody. I mean teachers are sick of it they’re just like burnt out, kids are burnt out, parents are burnt out, everybody is done. Everybody’s ready. It’s a much needed break. Well that’s cool, except that the expectations have not changed for spring fever. Meaning that our kids still need to get their work done and be compliant and conform and do what they’re told and jump through the hoops. You know that yes, I value education, yes there are great things about education, but the workload continues to be heavy. They have current work, so let’s say spring breaks over for you. They still have their regular current work. If they’re one of my kids who struggle with executive function, they still have their late work, missing work, zeros, incompletes, and that stuff. You know, the stuff that they’re ‘behind’ on, whatever that means. But the stuff that they’re behind on, need to catch up on. Then they also have what I call PEPR, P-E-P-R, which means they’re at the end of the semester and you have final papers or essays, we have final exams, you have final projects, and large reading assignments. So they did that in fall semester as well, you have PEPR at the end of each semester. But for the last three weeks of a semester here in spring fever time, we still have PEPR. The energy for doing their current work, their makeup work, and their finals stuff, the energy is depleted. People are burnt out, they’re done. If you watched my video from last week it was super ranty and I don’t usually do them like that, but I think is really important right now because people are suffering a lot, suffering. Our kids are suffering. This spring fever is unlike any I’ve ever seen. The burnout is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. The intensity, and when I say intensity, what I mean is the depth of emotion, of frustration, of resistance, of helplessness for kids who just feel like, “How am i going to ever catch up? And if I do get caught up, is it even worth it? Am I going to pass if I put all of this energy into getting caught up?” and all of this stuff. Like, is it worth it for them to put all this energy and they’re so tired? They’re socially depleted. Our social lives and social structures have fallen apart, our kids are craving real social connection. Our fear is tapped out, we all have different ideas about what’s going on. But everybody is frustrated and has some level of fear about something. And we’re just like, exhausted from that. What do they call it? COVID fatigue. We’re tired everybody, we’re tired. And I want to make this video because I want you to know just my thoughts about it so that you can feel like you feel more empowered to support the kids. When these kids are getting behind, it produces a lot of anxiety during a normal spring fever. And the anxiety is more intense this year. If they’re not anxious, and they often are, maybe they’re just ignoring it and putting their head in the sand, pretending it doesn’t exist, which a lot of my kids do. But their lack of engagement is worse. So they’re even less engaged than they normally would be because they’re, you know, all the burnout and everything that I just mentioned. There are too many hoops for them to jump through to realistically get caught up for their executive function for a lot of these kids. So that doesn’t just mean getting caught up, but it also means the time required to check portals and figure out what’s going on. All teachers post their expectations differently on different days, their grades on different days, parents aren’t clear on what’s going on. Like it’s really, really hard. At this point, I want to mention a very important quote or saying, and I don’t I don’t know who to attribute it to, I found different people. But essentially, the gist of this quote is this, “Not everything that is measured matters. And not everything that matters is measured.” So we have a system where we’re measuring certain things, and we typically measure them with data points, called grades or test scores. Those grades, we happen to have chosen the letters A, B, C, D, and F. F means fail. So any of the kids that fail are failing within the context of the way that this system has decided to measure the metrics and say what metrics matter. And okay, so but not everything that matters is measured. So I want to really encourage you, parents and teachers, to really take a step back and look at what matters. When kids are compliant, the data looks good. And we infer certain meanings from that, like they’re getting a good education, they’re going to be okay in life. Well, we need to really look at, do we really believe that? Now again, I love teachers, teachers are amazing. Teachers are working so hard and there’s so much value in education. But when these kids are burnt out like this, and we continue to have the system the same… (cont’d in part 2) (Part 2) Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. This is part two of the Worst Spring Break Ever, or the Worst Spring Fever Ever, because my video just stopped. I’m not going to re-record the entire video, so here’s part two. So not everything that matters is measured, and what do we want to measure or value? Okay, so that’s what I really want to leave you, parents and teachers, with is this: slow down, stop, pull out a piece of paper, write down what’s important to you, for your kid or your students. In a year, how important is that going to be? Hopefully, it’s going to be important because the things that are not important now are not going to be important in a year. So a lot of times the things we’re measuring in a year in five years, in 10 years are not going to be that important. In a year from now, so it’s the end of March 2021, we’re probably going to be into a new normal. But we probably will be back to a lot of normalcy. In five years, we certainly will be, and in 10, 15, 20 years, unless there’s another pandemic, we certainly will be. So in a year, in five years, in 10 years, in 20 years, what do we want for these kids? What’s the long game here? And what are we doing now? And what is that doing to that long game? So, what is important to us? Some of the things that are important to me for kids is their mental health, their physical health, how’s their physical health going to be in a year? Five years? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years? How are their relationships in 20 and 30 years with family members with friendships? Do they have solid people in their life with their spouses? If they have spouses with their kids, if they have kids? How’s the quality of those? Are we planting seeds for that right now? How about their career? How about their finances? So right now, we get very concerned at the spring fever time with kids who are falling behind. And we want to get them caught up. I mean, that’s great. We want to get them caught up, we want to have a good life. So we’re inferring that getting caught up is going to help equate to these things. And in some ways it may, doors may be open or closed and blah, blah. But if you are a parent or teacher and you’re trying to get a kid caught up, my question to you is this one question. This is what I want you to write down in that piece of paper too: At what cost? If you get them caught up in all their classes, you put all this pressure on them. What’s the cost to your relationship with them? How they feel about you? How safe and secure they feel with you? What’s the cost in terms of their motivation and buy-in for school? And their ownership for school? What’s the cost in all sorts of, their physical health, their mental health in the future and things like that. At what cost are we getting them caught up if they’re falling behind? I’m not saying don’t try. I’m certainly not saying don’t try to get them caught up. I’m saying question what you’re trying to get them caught up on, how you’re trying to get them caught up, what you’re trying to do to do that, what kind of pressure they’re experiencing in getting caught up, and what’s the cost of all that. Pick your battles. So spring fever is here, pick your battles wisely. Advocate fiercely, parents. Advocate fiercely, teachers. The system has not empowered you teachers to say, “Ugh, this is crazy.” Go ahead and make the adaptations that your kids need, know the system still puts the pressure on you to cover your standards and your curriculum and your common core, and blah blah blah the same way. Does that make sense? Absolutely not. Connect with like-minded people, like-minded families, like-minded teachers and advocate. Anyhow, that’s all I have for today. Go take some action today. Go make a list. Go connect with people. Go do some writing. Go connect with your kid, go laugh with your kid, go play with your kid, go have fun with your kid, go help them work on their life with them in whatever ways that means. I want to wish you joy, peace of mind, and connection today. My name is Seth Perler. If you haven’t subscribed on YouTube or right here, subscribe, you can leave a comment. What do you think? What advice do you have for people about this? What are some of your thoughts around this? What do we need to know, what did I leave out here? Share it with us. Give it a thumbs up if you want, it helps the almighty algorithm. Sorry, I’m a bit tech burnt out. Oh, and go get into some nature today. Be well.

Will my kid FAIL this crazy school year?

Parents & teachers, this is NOT my typical vlog. I’m pissed, I am so sick of seeing kids “fail”, suffer, be misunderstood, of seeing kids grow up with rampant racism in a country that claims to be so great. I don’t understand how so many Americans still downplay racism and prejudice and do nothing about it. I’m so sick of how our education systems fail to meet the needs of so many kids and stay stuck in outdated approaches. Here I TRY to do a bit of justice to some of these complicated topics so you can have a bigger picture and hopefully feel more empowered to better support your children or students.
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. The number one worst thing for me about being an executive function coach is that I am trying to help neurodiverse kids fit into a system that does not recognize their needs. So I’m trying to help these kids navigate something that should be navigating itself for them. I’m angry today. And this video is inspired by the recent attacks on Asian Americans, the attacks on Asian Americans and all sorts of communities who have been not treated with dignity, and respect, and honor, and empathy, and kindness, and compassion. And how this country continues, and has since the beginning of this country, continued to treat people wrong. And as an educator, I want to see all of my students, I want to see all students, all kids, all kids in this country, America, all kids worldwide, get what they need. Is that so hard? Is it so hard for us to treat each other with kindness and to think? Apparently, it is. I just want to say that I stand with everybody who’s experiencing any form of discrimination, prejudice, and unfairness. The reason I’m making this video today, hello parents, hello teachers. My name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach and I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that they can have good life. And I’m making this for two reasons. One, because I’m pissed off. Things don’t have to be the way they are. I’m speaking also about the education system, which we’re going to talk a lot about today, I’m going to also tell you what you can do. So I’m going to give you about 15 things that you can do to help yourself help, your child, help your community. But I’m making this because I’m angry, and I’m making this to affirm you, parents and teachers. And what I mean by that is that I’m going to put some ideas together for you in a context that I hope affirms some things that you think, or that you’ve thought through and maybe haven’t pieced together all of the pieces, I want to give you a bunch of these pieces today so that you have a better understanding, and you can feel like “Okay, yes, the things I’ve been sensing, now this stuff makes more sense to me.” That’s why I’m making this for those two reasons. One, I’m angry, and I want things to change. And two to affirm you, so that you can feel more confident when you’re taking steps to support your child. The system is not working. A lot of parents right now are asking, as we end this crazy school year, with all the hybrid and all of this, that and the other, a lot of parents are asking, “Is my kid gonna fail?” Let me be very clear. If your kid gets F’s, that’s really what you’re asking, “Is my kid gonna get F’s?” Is your kid going to fail? No. What I mean by that is, the system or systems are failing to engage your child in a meaningful education that they are engaged in and motivated to do. The system, the way it is set up, has not changed during this pandemic to adapt to the needs that have very much changed, and the expectations for kids to jump through the same hoops. While there are many amazing and brilliant teachers, and thank you, for those of you out there, those teachers of you that are empathetic, and compassionate, and think for yourself, and make your adaptations in your classroom and still love those kids. Really think through, “Whoa, I want my kids to have successful experiences, and really have made the changes that need to happen.” There are teachers out there that do that. But there’s a lot of pressure from the system on these teachers to continue doing things to meet the standards, to prep for the tests, and I don’t know what’s going on with testing right now. There’s no reason to have standardized tests this year. Absolutely insane. I hate them anyway. There’s a lot of pressure from the system on teachers to continue doing the things the same way we’ve been doing them. They’re not saying “How do we adapt this for the kids?” It’s not okay. So what is education? Educare, educare, it’s Latin. The etymology means ‘to lift.’ What do we do with our kids? We lift them, we raise our kids. Think about that word. We’re raising kids, raise. We’re bringing up kids. Why do we say we bring up? Bring up, bring up, up, up, raise. We’re raising. Educare means to raise, or to bring up. So education should raise people. Is it raising them? Is it really raising them? For some kids, sure. Some kids fit right into the school box, some kids get so much out of it. Some kids it is really made for their brains. Their brains are made for the way the system is. What we don’t do is create a system that adapts to all sorts of brains. What we’ve done is we’ve said, “These are the brains we’re going to address, and we’re going to make it for them and everybody else conforms to this.” So in raising someone, what the hell does that mean? Ask yourself this question, will this education and this raising, that whatever this for education is, will this education ensure that your child can have the income, or income equality because it’s not equal, Will it ensure that they have the income they need to live a good life? To have the health care they need? The housing they need to be generally happy people? Parents all want their kids to be happy and successful. What does that mean? Will education help them to be happy? Whatever that means, but generally happy, healthy, physically healthy, mentally healthy, we’re seeing so much anxiety and depression and problems right now and addiction and everything. Is this ensuring that they’re going to be happy, healthy mentally and physically healthy, and successful in things that matter to them? Is this education going to raise them to ensure these things? Or whatever your definition of ‘raising’ means. So let me take you on this little journey at this point in this video. So here’s this little journey I want to sort of back up. So imagine that there’s no such thing as compulsory education. In around the 1930s, all states, in the United States at least, let’s just focus on this country, had compulsory education. Not necessarily High School, it may have been compulsory to go to elementary school, but they had some sort of required education. And remember, at this time, things were very different, things were segregated. There’s mass, open racism. And racism is so deeply rooted in our history, and we don’t teach about that. So basically, now it’s compulsory, and now there’s this segregation and racism. Then in around 1940s, we start with these things called textbooks. Why is that important? Because they were history books, and whose history is being told in these textbooks? Is their history of Native Americans and their experience here? Is there history of Asian Americans and their experience here? Is there history of African Americans? Whose history starts being taught in these things called textbooks? Now, why am I mentioning textbooks? Because what they found out with textbooks is A) we can write in history the way that we want to write it, and tell the story, his-story. We can tell history the way we want to frame it. Well, who do you think was writing the history books? White men. Who writes them now? Has it changed much? Where are they written? You might want to look into that. I’m not being conspiracy theorist, I’m telling you, there’s some bullshit going on, though. Sorry, excuse my language. Why am I talking about textbooks? Because what they found out with textbooks is, “Whoa, this is a great industry.” We can produce books, starting with history, but then we have all sorts of textbooks. These industries begin to realize that this is a fantastic profit model. We can sell these textbooks, and look at textbooks today, costing $200 to $300 a piece in college, that the bookstores resell for ridiculous prices semester after semester. And when there is a second and third version, is it any different from the first version? And how different and edited is it? And there’s a 20th version of this textbook, how different is it? Is it really edited by the people on that board that claim to have edited it in the front of these books? Like, there’s all kinds of things to think about. But the point is, excuse me for ranting so much. The point is, as an industry, we can make math textbooks, science textbooks, we can make all these textbooks. Phenomenal industry. What’s the bottom line for the industry? Money. Not kids, not education, not engagement. How do we have a system that we can convince, tell a story, tell a narrative, and convince school districts, teachers, parents, convince people that we need these textbooks in this way? How do we tell that story? Hmm. Interestingly, in the 1960s, we start with the standardized testing stuff. And wow, isn’t that interesting? If you use a textbook, and then you take a standardized test, or use a thing called a curriculum, and you take a standardized test, and it shows that you learn something, then you can have this thing called data that means that these metrics that we choose, these things that we choose to value to measure, not everything that’s measured matters. Not everything that matters is measured. But we have this story where we can measure things with tests, with essays, we can measure things in some ways, and show with something that seems like concrete, valuable evidence, that we can show how successful is a school, or a student, or district, or a textbook, or blah, blah, blah. So now we have textbook industries, standardized testing industries, curriculum manufacturers, even the food industry involved with schools. These industries that nobody’s really thinking of, we’re not really thinking about, you know, who’s profiting off of schools. Well, guess what? People are profiting off schools, and that they are interested in profit. They’re not interested in kids, no. Are there people that work there that are awesome people that work like crazy to make awesome textbooks and lessons? Of course, of course. But let’s think about this in terms of the big picture. So we have this compulsory ed, we have the segregation and this racism that is rampant, we have these history textbooks that start in the 40s, then we have this testing that starts in the 60s. Then these profit models for these industries are massive. Imagine just in LAUSD, Los Angeles School District, there’s 600,000 kids in that school. Imagine if you get a contract and you are a curriculum manufacturer and you get a contract with Los Angeles Unified School District. Imagine how much profit potential there is for a curriculum for 600,000 kids. Now imagine that multiplied over the entire United States. Do you know how many kids are in the US? 50 million, over 50 million kids are in school, in public schools in the US. Can you imagine how important it is for these companies to continue to increase profits? What is their focus? How do we increase as much profit as possible with as little effort as possible? Does that sound like what your child needs? Think about the energy behind this stuff. Now, I was a teacher for 12 years, you know, I’ve seen people come and present curriculum, I’ve looked at all these beautiful boxes that they deliver with these beautiful displays in schools to show teachers. But you know, and there’s some good people, and I’ll tell you those sales people too, that come and show this stuff, I mean, what do you think they’re motivated by? Are they bad people? No. Well, maybe there’s some, but no, generally, these are good people. But we need to understand, “I don’t care if they’re good people or not.” What is the outcome? What is the outcome? Will this empower, enable, help your child to have the income they need, the health care, they need, the housing they need, the mental health they need? Are these things delivering that? That’s the test. Are they delivering that when your child has 20, 25, 30, do they have those things? Did the education provide those things? So neurodiverse kids with executive function challenges often fail in this sort of a system, or struggle. And they’re not being raised. And they might muddle through it and get through it. But is it really getting them? Is it really helping them? No, it’s failing to engage them. It’s failing to motivate them. They might do it because there’s pressure and then you have people like me, who I’m trying to help these kids navigate something, help motivate them, help them. I mean, I don’t really care what the systems like, I’m looking at the kid like, “How do I help them get through this and believe in themselves and be able to create a great life?” Whether they go to college or not, whatever the story ends up looking like. What does this individual need? It’s compulsory education that isn’t working for them. And a lot of these kids sadly lose their love for learning. And they end up saying things like, “I hate school,” what the hell is going on that a human being would say, “I hate school”? And then they feel like they’re the failure, like something’s wrong with them. And they can end up feeling bad about themselves and waste decades of their lives spinning their wheels in the wrong direction. It really angers me and saddens me. It doesn’t have to be like this. So what can you do about it? Well, I have 15 things for you and then I’m going to shut up. And I know that there’s so much to say about these topics and I’m barely scratching the surface. Add in the comments anything you want to, any thoughts you’re having, enlighten us, tell us what you think, ask your questions, whatever. But the first thing I want to say of what you can do, what I can do. Forget everything you think you know about education, and how you were raised, and what you were taught, forget it all. And start with a clean slate and ask questions and really question these things. Yes, there are great teachers, amazing life-changing teachers, some good things about the system. I’m not saying everything’s broken, everything’s dysfunctional. It’s not. There is a lot of good in it. But forget everything you know, pretend there was never any such thing as school, and you wanted to create something to educate kids. What would it look like? Would you have 50-minute classes, seven a day that you give people letter grades on, use tests, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? Would you really put a kid in the class for 45 minutes, ring a bell, give them four minutes to go to another class? They’re totally getting into what they’re learning and you’re going to shift them to something else? Would you really have A days and B days and 18 week semesters and blah, blah, blah? Forget everything, you know, number one. Number two, imagine the sky’s the limit. If we reform education, I don’t like the word reform because that says you know that we take this sort of base and we change it from what it is. Imagine it didn’t exist. Number two, imagine. How can we rebuild this? Tear down, pretend it didn’t exist? How can we use our imagination, to create education in completely different ways? Imagine is number two, imagine. Number three, listen to your kid. Teachers, parents, listen to your kid. When they’re telling you something and we get very focused on, “You got to get this done. You got to get this done. You got to jump through this hoop, you got to do this red tape, you got to do what you’re being asked.” Because we have the story that means that you’re going to get your education and you’re going to be happy and successful. But listen to them, they’re telling you something. Listen beyond the words. And then number four, listen to your gut when something feels wrong. And parents are often, and teachers too, are often told don’t listen to your gut. Don’t think. Don’t challenge. We will shame you if you challenge. We will pressure you if you challenge. Just do what you’re told just be status quo, it’s all good trust us. Listen, your gut. When your gut is telling you something’s wrong, listen to it. And number five, advocate and be the squeaky wheel. Speak your mind, speak your truth. Do what you got to do. A lot of people, a part of their advocacy right now as they’re leaving school systems, private schools, public schools, all sorts of schools. They’re starting to homeschool or unschool. They’re trying all sorts of different things. Not everybody has that luxury, but people are doing all sorts of different things to quote, ‘advocate,’ you might not think of that as advocacy, but that’s advocacy too. But either way, advocacy to me means listening to your kid, listening to your gut, and then do what your gut tells you. You know. Now I will give a little caveat here. If your gut is telling you everything’s bad and this whole conspiracy is going on, but like tame it down. Really question the big picture, question everything. I’m not saying that what you think is wrong, but you’ve got to question yourself too. So whatever you do, just be clear. Don’t just listen to just emotion and stuff, like really, really investigate. And be aware of what you investigate obviously, you know, really think through where the source is getting their information. They’re very convincing things out there that I really want you to question. I don’t even want you to listen to me. If you don’t like what I say, question it. You know, do your own research, do your own finding, like question everything. Number six, connect with like-minded people. Connect with families at your school that are saying, “These grades are archaic.” We don’t want grades in our school anymore. Are there any parents that feel this way? Any teachers that feel this way? Let’s connect. Let’s change this thing. How do we change from grades to some sort of assessments that are meaningful, that help? That gives us real information to help our kid and that doesn’t fail them. How can we even have the word ‘fail?’ How is that possible that in this time in history, we even have a word, a metric called F, a thing that fails? That saying, “You’re failing, you’re a failure.” How do we do that? It just doesn’t make sense to me that that’s even a thing. Connect with like-minded people. Number six, get rid of grades, please. Number seven, get rid of grades, please. Let’s get some real authentic assessments going on here. We like grades because they seem concrete, we can talk about them. It seems like what is measured matters, like I said earlier. Can we please get rid of grades and do something creative that gives us real information? Homework. I’m not going to talk much about homework. But can we please stop this bullshit. There is definitely times when homework is valuable, and meaningful, and engaging, and helpful. But so much of the homework my kids who struggle with executive function are doing is not meaningful. It’s not engaging, it’s not helping them, it’s busy work, it’s interfering with their family time, it’s interfering with their friend time, their free time, their alone time. What are we doing? How can somebody spend this much time on that? Number nine, creatively differentiated curriculum. How can we change curriculum to make it fun, and interesting, and project based, and whatever you think good curriculum is. Don’t listen me, but I think it should be fun, and interesting, and engaging, and passion based, and interest based, and project based, and experiential and engaging, and motivating. How can we have creatively differentiated curriculum that does that, that meets the needs of a bunch of different kids? We sure as hell are not going to do that with 30 kids in a classroom and a bunch of textbooks, and teachers got a lot of pressure on them to do things a certain way. Number 10, train teachers to be artists, not to be compliant worker bees. Over 50% of teachers leave by year five. These people invested four years in college at least, and then up to five years in the classroom investing in your kids. They invested all of this time and then they quit. Why? They’re burnt out, it’s not working for them. They’re not doing what they went there to be doing. It’s not fulfilling them. Really, how’s that possible? We need to teach teachers to be artists, and respect them, and honor them, and support them. Make it very hard for them. Why do we do that? Number 11, educare. Let’s teach our kids to think, to think critically, to connect with people, to understand things like dignity, and compassion and empathy and community, and service and giving to others and thinking about others, and kindness and cooperation, and how to be self-learners, and how to listen to people. Like, what do we really want education to do? Those are the things I wanted to do. I want education to teach kids how to think and how to learn. Not how to checkboxes, jump through hoops and comply. How to shine, how to give their gifts. Number 12, what can we do? Get our kids outside, in nature away from screens. I’m sorry that you’re watching this right now, or you’re on a device right now honestly. I hope this is helpful, but go get outside and go connect with you. I want our kids to connect with the world, with people and with nature. Number 12 is connect with people and with nature and with the outdoors and with the environment. We are a part of this earth, this planet isn’t our property. We are interconnected with everything on this earth. I want our kids to be involved in that and not be stuck inside behind screens all day long withering away, losing their passions, not engaging with human beings. Number 13, focus on what we want as metrics. So we have these metrics of grades, test scores, letters, things like that. But maybe the metric should change and our metrics should be all adults want our kids to be happy, healthy and successful. That’s what I hear over and over and over. Maybe that should be our metric. How happy, healthy and successful does our child feel? What if that was our metric? And we looked at that, and then we could determine, well how successful is this education, or this school year, or this class, or this teacher, or this curriculum? Not everything that’s measured matters. Not everything that matters is measured. Those are what matter to us. Yeah, it’s hard to measure that with the letter grade, right? So why do we keep trying to do it that way? Next, number 14 is invest money. We invest over $700 billion in military, that must be very important to us. Guess how much we spend on education? $70 billion, 1/10. Is education for kids 1/10 as important to us? What do we value? Well, we put our money where our mouth is, we show what we value by our actions, we need to really invest a lot. Again, you know, 30, kids with the teacher and a bunch of textbooks, is that really going to give your kid what they need? And then once they start to get that know that teacher, after a year, or semester, or quarter, they go on to another one, the relationship dissolves. I want people investing in kids for a long time, really knowing kids, really being able to help them. Anyhow, there’s a lot of nuance here. Number 15, the very last thing and what I think is the most important thing, what can we do? You watching, I hope that every time I do a presentation to school district or parent group or whatever, my last thing I ever say is this number 15. To me, the most important thing number one thing above everything is the relationship. What is your relationship like, parents, that you have with your child? And teachers, that you have that these kids? A relationship, creating a safe, healthy, securely attached relationship with the kids that you’re working with or that you’re parenting is the most important thing. That they feel connected, that they feel heard and seen and understood. Not that they just know you understand them or that you care about them, but that they feel, “Wow, they’ve got my back. Yeah, we have difficulties, but they’ve got my back, they will listen to me, they will take time to hear me even if we have difficulties. They are not just going to use logic and reason and nagging and bugging and lectures and things. They will hear me, they will hear me. They may not agree with me, but they will hear me.” So often we try to change them and change the way they think and tell them to think differently. Anyhow, I’m gonna shut up. My name is Seth Perler, I’m an executive function coach. I try to help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that they can have great life now, during their childhood, and for their future. I love what I do. I’m glad you’re here. If you like what I’m doing, give it a thumbs up, you can leave a comment below you can go to my blog, support me, share my stuff with other people and help get the word out about this stuff. And for those of you who have been following me for a long time, I know this has been a long one. I never do things this long, but it’s just on my mind today. I’m so sick seeing people not treated with dignity and being harmed and I’m so sick of prejudice and hatred and anger and I really want to see things change. And we can change things so don’t give up. Go love your kids today. Connect. I hope this was helpful to you and I’ll see you soon. Take care.

The RIGHT Definition of Executive Function

Parents and teachers, unfortunately, if you search for definitions of EF, it can be confusing! Different experts define it differently, AND they discuss the key skills completely differently! So what do you NEED to know to make sense of this? Well, this video has your answer!
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. What is up? Parents and teachers, in this video, I’m gonna tell you a little bit about some definitions of executive function because it can be really confusing and it can be very inaccessible, the way a lot of people describe executive function. So, parents and teachers, you do not have to be confused. Any students who are watching, you do not have to be confused. I’m going to make this very, very, very, very, very digestible. What’s up? My name is Seth Perler, I’m an executive function coach, and I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that they can have a good life now and in their future. If we don’t figure out this executive function thing, a lot of them are going to struggle. We don’t want that, I certainly don’t. That’s why I do what I do. So hello, good morning, what’s up. So basically, here’s what we need to know as far as definitions of executive function are concerned. The first thing that I want to mention to you is that if you do a search on the internet of ‘executive function,’ you’re going to find many expert definitions. So you can go ahead and look those up. The problem that I have with a lot of those definitions is that they’re very clinical sounding, and they’re very inaccessible. Ad we parents, and teachers, just want to know what the heck to do to help our kids. So that’s what I’m going to do for you here. So you’re going to look at a bunch of these clinical definitions, and you’re gonna find out that a lot of these experts, they’re phenomenal. I mean, these people have poured tons of research, and time, and energy into defining these things. So they’re definitely valuable. They’re just sometimes hard to access. But what you’re going to notice is, it’s very confusing, because all experts define it differently. Some experts say there are three aspects to executive function, some say there’s one main one, some say there are five, some say there are eight. Those are the main things that I see. I see about 20 things. And I’m not going into those in the video today, those are aspects or executive function skills. It can be very confusing not only to see the definition, but to see how they break down their definition, because they break it down into different amounts of aspects. So basically, you can go ahead and search that if you want, you don’t need to, because I’m going to give it to you right here. Here’s how I define it in plain English in a way that hopefully will be helpful to you. It just means to get stuff done. Why the word executive? It’s how the brain helps us execute tasks, to do stuff. We execute tasks, that’s it. Keep it simple. Now, it is more complicated than that. The brain is doing a lot to help us get stuff done. And research on the brain also shows that there’s a lot of misinformation about the brain. For example, I will often even say, you know, “Executive function takes place in the prefrontal cortex of the brain, the front third part of the brain.” Well, really, the entire brain is activated all the time to different extents, but we speak in that kind of language just to give a simple way of understanding. Generally speaking, the front part of the brain helps us to execute tasks and does all sorts of cool things to do that. Well, you the parent and teacher who are watching this, what are you concerned with? What tasks need to be done that you’re concerned about that, you’re concerned about with the students who care about? Schoolwork and responsibilities. Keep it simple. They are two very broad categories, but that’s really what it comes down to when we’re really concerned. We’re watching a kid and we’re like, “Wow, how do we help this kid? They’re struggling.” Let’s keep it simple. With schoolwork, tasks, executing schoolwork type of things, and executing responsibilities. “If they don’t figure this out, I’m concerned.” What are some examples? Here are some real examples of things that our brain helps us execute. “I want to lose 10 pounds.” That is a complex series of many tasks. “I want to get a job.” Doing the application, getting to the applications, finding the information for them, doing the interview. There’s a lot that needs to be executed to just get a job. It’s not just getting a job. Getting a driver’s license, writing a paper, playing video games. Playing video games requires executive function, even though that’s something that our kids want, might want to be doing. Making a phone call, cleaning a room, doing laundry, moving to a new place. Of course, that requires a lot of executive function. Taking a trip requires a lot of planning executive function. Going to an appointment, turning in homework, organizing folders. So what are the right words? Should we say executive functions? Executive function, executive function name? What the heck should we say here? Who cares. I really don’t care and I’m considered an expert in this field. I’m just another guy. I just like this stuff. I just like helping people. That’s really all there is to it. I don’t really care what we call it. What I really care about is whatever term you like, I use executive function usually, but whatever term you like, all we’re really concerned about is, do we have actionable ways to help human beings have better lives? That’s it. So call it whatever you want. I don’t really care. I don’t think there’s a right way to do it. I think that we just try to help people. So what’s the problem then with executive function? Well, the number one problem that I talk about is resistance. It isn’t a problem to execute, let’s use the video gaming example. To execute on video games because if you like video games, there’s no resistance to it. If it’s something you want to do, there’s no resistance. If you’re a reader, there’s no resistance to reading. If you don’t like messes, there’s no resistance to cleaning. So those types of things. The resistance problem means we don’t feel like doing something. We have excuses, or self-talk excuses, we procrastinate, we put it off, we have any strategy we can think of to avoid execution on things that are in our own interests. That is a problem. If there is something that is in our own interests, for example, if I’m 16 years old, and I want a job at this really cool place and I meet the owner, and they’re like, “Yeah, you’d be perfect!” and I can’t execute to do the things that I need to do to even get to the interview and get the application in. Then I’m not going to get a goal that matters to me. If I want a driver’s license, but I can’t get through it and I’m a teenager, and I can’t get through the tasks to get the driver’s license, I’m not accomplishing my goal. If I want to lose 10 pounds, and I can’t self-regulate to do the things that I need to do that, I’m not accomplishing my goal. I’m not executing. So I have resistance around those things that are non-preferred, non-preferred. So when it comes to something I want to do, let’s say the video games, or playing guitar, or hanging out with my friends or whatever, whatever this student is into and it’s preferred, then execution is not a problem. But when it comes to the non-preferred parts of a goal, or a task, or a complicated task, or long-term planning task like getting a driver’s license, or getting a job, or if a kid wants to go to college and get their own apartment, or something like that. These things take a lot of, a lot of executive function to be able to do things they don’t want to do. To be able to override the resistance. So that’s the whole problem. I want to make this really simple for you watching. The whole problem in one way or another comes down to resistance. How do we work with that? How do we help somebody? I’ll talk about that next. So how do we help? How do we get stuff done that we should do but don’t want to do? Well, the way that Seth breaks it down, is the way that I help my students, is with system, mindsets, habit, habits and routines. What the heck does that even mean? Meanwhile, excuse me, I’m so mellow. Today, I just woke up, it was a time change. And I’m up pretty early today. So hello, good morning, got my mellow Seth attitude on. Systems, mindsets, habits and routines. If you want to help your child, or if you’re a teacher, or a para, or tutor, or a coach, and you want to help somebody to learn to work with resistance, and to get the things done that they need to get done in their own self-interest and they’re struggling with that. What do we do? Well, we need to teach systems. When I say systems, I mean systems for execution. What is a system for executions? Organizing, systems for organizing. Organizing papers, like for kids, their papers, their files, their folders, their school papers. That’s important. If they don’t have school papers, then they have online files. How do they organize their online world? Their inbox? How do they organize their thoughts in their mind? How do they organize their thoughts to put them on paper when they’re writing papers? Different from organizing papers in a folder, but when they’re writing paper, how do you organize? How do you organize your study space? Your bedroom, your materials, the things in your life, your hobbies? How do we organize? Those are systems. Using a planner, planning, long-term planning, short-term planning, daily planning, those are systems of planning. And there’s all sorts of systems, but how we teach somebody systems? They don’t just magically appear in the brain of someone who doesn’t have strong executive function. I struggle with executive function. I am not a ‘systems thinker.’ It is very, very, very hard for me. Now I’ve learned to compensate and do it. But it doesn’t come naturally. To some people it comes very naturally. So for those of you who it comes naturally to, please understand that our brains are different. We aren’t systems thinkers. We tend to be very global big picture, creative thinkers, and a lot of times systems, thinking in a non-preferred area is hard. Because you might have that argument “Oh, well, my kid has great systems when it comes to Legos or this that or the other.” Yeah, I’m talking about the non-preferred. Remember, that’s the problem. Keep it simple people. We need systems. We need mindsets. What’s a mindset? As Carol Dweck says, it’s a growth mindset that we can do something, instead of the resistance mindset. “I can’t do this. This is too hard. It’s too overwhelming. It’s too big. This is stupid. This is annoying. My mindset is this is dumb. I’m never going to use this. I’ll do it later. I’ll do it tomorrow,” I get a mindset that it’s not that important. So we have resistance mindsets. We have to have mindsets to work with that and be realistic that if we don’t get these important things done, it impacts our life. We need habits and routines. What good are systems and mindsets if you don’t have habits and routines to implement them. So a lot of times, we’ll be like, “Oh, well, my kid knows how to do that, I’ve seen him do it before.” Yeah, maybe they know how to do it, but they don’t have a good habit and routine around being able to do it or they don’t have it down as well as we thought they did. And the key into how to help is you got to understand this as a baby step game. How do you get an elephant? One bite at a time. I hate that metaphor, but love that metaphor. One bite at a time. A journey of 1000 miles begins with, that’s right, one step. This is baby steps, baby steps are everything. They are so important. And we want to see all the homework done, all 20 missing assignments done, blah, blah, blah. Look, you can’t climb a mountain in a day. I mean, you got to really be realistic. This is baby steps. In my work, I’m telling you patient, persistence, and baby steps is everything in helping a human being change. Everything. So hopefully, that message came through. How do you help? Systems mindsets, habits and routines, and baby steps. And here’s the brain, human brain here again, where it’s believed that the prefrontal cortex is the main place for executive function. Fortunately, this is developmental. So students who struggle with executive function, students like who I was as a child, like I really struggled to get these things done. Fortunately, the brain the front part of the brain, the prefrontal cortex is thought to be the last part of the brain that is developing and it continues to develop until you’re 25 or 30 years old. So there’s plenty of hope. Do not give up. Patiently, persistently, baby steps, helping these kids get systems mindsets, habits and routines compassionately, empathetically very mindfully, and thoughtfully. We can help people, this is what we do. We can help people learn these things so that they can have a good life. Keep your eye on the prize. This is so that they can have a good future. My name is Seth Perler, I’m an executive function coach. I’ve got a bunch of freebies and goodies. Support my stuff if you like it, subscribe. My site if you subscribe, you get a bunch of freebies my Sunday update, and I got a Youtube channel. TEFOS, the executive function online summit, my summit, is coming up in August. It’s amazing, parents love it. Have a fantastic day. I hope you have peace of mind today, some joy and some connection. Take care.

Ideas to Help Your Child

Today Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz shares some key takeaways to help your child that she got from here summit this year. Let me back up… First, get Monday, March 8th, 2021 on your calendar! If you’re raising a bright child with learning, social, emotional, and/or behavioral challenges, this is for you. Debbie hosts the annual Bright and Quirky summit, and it’s phenomenal. Period. Check it out here: https://hub.brightandquirky.com/~access/a10c7314f/ This year’s theme is Tame the Overwhelm. BQ is packed with tools and strategies for these uncertain times from INCREDIBLE experts (including Stephen Porges, who I am most excited about). In gratitude and service, Seth ps- I’ll be speaking March 12 about COPING, GROWING & SELF CARE. Click here: https://hub.brightandquirky.com/~access/a10c7314f/
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Seth Perler: Here we go. Hey everybody, what’s up? Today I’m here with Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz, and she runs the Bright and Quirky Summit. We’ll chat about this in a minute, but for you parents and teachers watching today, what I really wanted to ask Debbie, because every Sunday, as you know, I put out a blog and I really try to give something valuable to parents and teachers, and I thought what would be the best thing to ask her? So what I’m going to ask is, Debbie has been in this education world for a long time, and I wanted to ask, what were some of her biggest takeaways from the Bright and Quirky Summit, but from her advanced mindset, she has been in this world so long, not sort of beginner stuff, but what some stuff that really hit her. So hi, Debbie. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Hi, Seth. How are you doing? Seth Perler: Good. What’s the Bright and Quirky Summit? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Okay, the Bright and Quirky Child Summit is an online free conference where we’re bringing together 29 of the world’s experts for bright kids with ADHD, autism, learning differences like dyslexia, anxiety, and depression. And this year, our theme is ‘Tame the Overwhelm.’ Seth Perler: Tame the overwhelm, because we’ve been through a lot. Awesome theme, awesome theme, people are overwhelmed, kids are overwhelmed. So you said bright, and with ADHD, and this that and the other? What’s that called for those who don’t know that? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Yeah, we call that twice exceptional. So if you think about a bell curve, on one end we’ve got kids with advanced abilities, sometimes they’re called gifted, they can have any sort of advanced abilities. Then on the other end, they have brain-based challenges as well. And what’s tricky about this is you could put them in gifted classes that don’t necessarily help them support their challenges, or you can put them in special ed, which doesn’t help them accelerate with their advanced abilities. So it’s a very niche population that has trouble finding ways to get its needs met. So we have a lot of parents, teachers, clinicians that come to the summit, use it for professional development, and it’s been very helpful. This is our fourth annual summit, it’s a lot of fun. Seth Perler: So for those of you that register, you can register right here, you can go check it out at Bright and Quirky, but I’ll put the link below. But this is an intensive, incredible way to invest your time in your teaching or your parenting. Just saturate yourself in everything, and you’re gonna walk away absolutely overwhelmed, and absolutely grateful for learning so much. So tell us, what’s one of your big takeaways, an aha-moment that you had from this one? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Well, I had so many. I have to say the talk with Kristin Neff probably stuck with me the most. Seth Perler: Is she a mindfulness person? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: She’s a self-compassion person. She did research that said, you know, you can have a child with severe challenges or mild challenges. And you would think that your degree of stress or angst would correlate with how severely that child is struggling. But actually, that’s not the case. The case is that you will struggle less if you become an ally to yourself, and your self-talk becomes the way you would talk to a friend. So if my child’s melting down, or you know, they haven’t started their homework when I know they have 10 assignments, and I just be like, “Ugh, how do I do this? Or how do I do that?” I’d say like, “This is hard.” I would talk to myself, like I would talk to a friend, “Maybe it’s time to go for a walk, maybe it’s time for some deep breaths. This is hard, and it’s time for a cup of tea.” It changes the whole conversation in your head. There’s a lot of research to say this really works. Seth Perler: Awesome. I love it. It’s super simple. It’s super powerful. I actually use that in my coaching with kids. You know, if you were your own friend, what advice would you give yourself? Or some iteration of a question like that. So awesome, thanks. And then what’s another one? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Okay, I had the privilege of interviewing Stephen, Dr. Stephen Porges, the originator of the Polyvagal theory, he’s doing actually two talks with Mona Delahhooke, who wrote ‘Beyond Behaviors.’ I mean, together, they’re just the dream team. They are really shifting the whole paradigm of how we deal with kids and behaviors. And we’ve got a 15 minute talk for dads and a 15 minute talk for teachers. Because I do coffees every week with families, and one of those weeks a month are just with dads, and I was in the session and the dads had questions all along a certain theme. “When my child does X, whether they’re not complying, not doing homework, or you know something, melting down. What should I do?” The dads really didn’t know. “Should I escalate things and make them do it? Should I walk away?” So that’s exactly what I asked Dr. Porges and Dr. Delahhooke. What they said is, if you treat the behavior, then you are only treating the symptom. That’s like, you know, treating a fever when there’s a root cause. So when we look at the root cause, we really want to look at the nervous system. And Seth, I know you know this, think about it as green zone, red zone, blue zone, green zone, is when you’re calm, you’re ready to learn, you’re engaging with other people. Red zone is when you’re in fight or flight. And blue zones, when you’re shut down, that typically comes after the red zone. The teenager stuck in bed, they don’t want to do anything, they don’t want help. They’re in the blue zone. So if we think about our kids who, you know, classically we think they’re misbehaving, and think instead, “Oh, they’re in the red zone, my next step is to help them and me get in the green zone through breathing, through different things that will calm the nervous system.” Getting exercise is a huge one, self-talk. Just taking this paradigm shift of thinking about the nervous system rather than the behavior, is huge. It just changes everything. Seth Perler: Awesome, I love it. And so Porges is my number one person who I am most excited about seeing, because I love Polyvagal theory. So for those of you who follow me, if you don’t know how much I nerd out on Polyvagal theory, it’s a lot. It’s one of my top three sort of models that really influenced me. But I talked about Polyvagal theory a lot. It’s not as inaccessible as it might sound like, for example, using the red, blue, and green zones. There’s also something called the Polyvagal ladder, just really accessible ways to understand that you are always speaking to your child’s nervous system. So we have these words and these stories, but we’re often not even hearing each other. And we have to really, and I work a lot with my families on this. How do we see what the heck is going on in their nervous system right now? And in your nervous system? Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. And I’m super excited to hear Mona too. So yeah, so what else was a big takeaway for you? I’m kind of jealous that you got to talk to them. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: I’m happy to introduce you guys. I also talked to Ellie Lebowitz who is out of Yale, he designed the space program, SPACE, I’m going to forget what it stands for. But basically, it is a program that works with parents of anxious kids on what parents can do differently. The treatment does not at all involve the kids. So you know, when you have an anxious child and you might decide, you know, not to take a weekend away or not to do a certain thing, and you feel like this anxiety has the whole household captive. He helps you really change that dynamic and help your kids recognize that they actually have the strength to navigate the anxiety. Oftentimes, it’s not about making the anxiety go away, because anxiety is good in certain situations, it’s about helping to give kids confidence that they can handle the anxiety. So what we do as a parent, when our kids are anxious, makes all the difference. Actually, what feels intuitive to comfort and soothe when they’re anxious, can actually make them feel more anxious. So his talk is really interesting Seth Perler: So good, and so related to the other two things that you mentioned, because it has to do with, you know, us doing our own adult work, our work on ourselves or self-care. It also has to do with the nervous system. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Yeah, absolutely. I then did a talk with Michael Delmon and Dr. Clifford Sussman on motivating kids and managing screen time. I really enjoyed that talk because I think in my mind, if I could just, I’m not a very technical person, if I could just figure out how to stop the router, or put the curfew on the phones, or like what technology am I missing? Dr. Cliff actually said, you know, if we’re thinking long-term, what we really want to do is have our kids internalize what those boundaries should be through a lot of really rich conversation. He talks about low dopamine and high dopamine activities, and that being on screens is high dopamine and it works a lot like addiction. You need a higher and higher dose to get the same effect. So many of us are and our kids are just getting so much screentime right now, and he’s got some suggestions, to weave in some lower dopamine activities to moderate. Seth Perler: Awesome. And are there any others? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: I also really enjoy, I’ve got a few more, I enjoyed talking to Dr. George Nicola, he’s a functional medicine Doc. Now, I was a counselor in private practice for 10 years working with twice exceptional kids. I don’t know if you hear this Seth, but I would hear all the time about gut issues. And if you look in the DSM-5, our diagnosing manual, it doesn’t say anything about stomach aches and ADHD, or autism, or anxiety. But when you talk to a functional medicine doctor and you realize how integrated the gut and the brain are, and there’s a crazy percentage of serotonin that comes from the gut. So gut health is so important to brain function. He talks a lot about nutrition, and it’s actually a talk, this is something we’re doing new this year, we’ve got five talks that we did with kids, for kids and teens, so that’s exciting. And then I also interviewed Christy Forbes, we talked about PDA, which a lot of people in the US don’t know about is Pathological Demand Avoidance. You’ve probably known kids or adults like this, who just don’t want to be told what to do, they’re hypersensitive to any sort of requests. It’s very delicate how we need to talk to them because of that highly sensitive, high sensitivity to perceived criticism. So Christy’s got a lot of great tips for that. And then I also talked to Thomas Brown, Dr. Thomas Brown, he was with Yale for many years. And we talk about ADHD and co-occurring diagnoses. We have a lot of kids that I work with at Bright and Quirky that have ADHD plus, and I had a client who called these the ‘cocktail diagnoses.’ You know, plus autism, plus anxiety, plus depression. When you get a diagnosis like that, as a parent, the diagnosis of your child, it’s like, “Where do I start? What’s the order of operations?” because then you have different treatment plans that they’re handing to you to follow. And it’s so overwhelming. I really like how Dr. Brown breaks it down when you do have multiple diagnoses, where do you start? What do you focus on? Seth Perler: Awesome. Where do you start is a question I get so much as well. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Yeah, Yeah. Seth Perler: But these are complicated human beings, so cool. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Exactly. Seth Perler: Is that the last one? Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: That’s the last one I have written down. I’m kind of curious because you said Polyvagal was one of the three theories you go back to time and time again. What are the other two? Seth Perler: Yeah, so I guess the way that I would word it is Polyvagal theory is one of the three. Number two would be Attachment theory, which has to do with relationships, but also has everything to do with reading each other’s nervous systems. And number three is what I would call somatic approaches in therapy. So that can include Polyvagal theory, but then it also includes all sorts of other what’s called ‘body-centered.’ If this is sounding woowoo for any of you, this stuff is not woowoo. This is incredible, powerful stuff. But for me, kind of how you started off your conversation when you were talking about the first expert, you said if you’re not addressing a thing, you’re saying you can’t just address, the symptom. And with somatic stuff, there’s so much going on in the body that’s impacting and influencing us and our kids. What we do is we go into the story of “This needs to get done. Your chores need to get done. Your homework needs to get done,” blah, blah, blah. And we’re not even noticing that they’re having an actual physical manifestation, experience, right in that moment. Their nervous system is communicating things to them, and we’re not addressing it or working on it. I mean, we just don’t, it’s not really part of how we approach things in our culture. But when we learn to do that, kind of what you alluded to a few times here is, when we can learn to do that we can respond as parents, or adults, differently, and does do what we’re trying to do, which is help the child rather than feel like we’re not gaining any traction, and we’re having the same conversation million times over, and we’re not getting anywhere and things are not changing, and we’re still on a downward spiral, we really need to back up. So those are my three, Somatic therapy, Polyvagal theory, and Attachment theory. For those watching, I like Alan Robarge with Attachment theory on YouTube, Stan Tacktin, those are probably my two favorites. And then with Polvagel theory, Dana’s Polyvagal theory and therapy book, which she’s taken so much of Borges’ work, but she’s made a book that says, ‘For therapists,’ but it’s so accessible to parents. It’s so phenomenal. And then as far as somatcis, you can look up EMDR, brain-spotting, somatic experiencing, Peter Levine, and blah, blah. I mean, there’s just lots of cool stuff with that for any of you who are nerding out on “Where do I go,” those are some of my go-to’s. But those are my top three that I think when we’re trying to help with executive function, it’s not just executive function, there’s so so many more layers, we’re really going to help these kids. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Just to bring this into a real-world example, as a parent. Have you heard of Jessica McCabe or Brendan, I can’t remember his last name. Seth Perler: Brendan Mahan. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: They did a video on the ‘Wall of Awful,’ and that’s when kids have so much stacked up that they look at this huge wall of everything they have to do, and they’re like, “What’s the point?” and they just check out. And in my mind, as a parent, before I knew about Polyvagal theory, where I was going with this is, what is the tip or trick I need to reengage them? But now I know that we have to calm the nervous system before they’re even ready to learn that they’re in red or blue mode. How do we get them into that? You know, green, calm, interactive, ready to learn, green? So it really shifted where I look for solutions. Seth Perler: Yeah, and it’s hard because when there’s an urgency around the things we’re trying to get our kids to do, because we know they might fail class or there’ll be consequences. But yeah, so I had both of them on my summit, Brendan and Jessica. And yeah, and in that video, it’s easy, just like a Wall of Awful, but his model, it’s just, again, so understandable so that we can change the conversation we’re having with our kids. But it’s not a quick fix. Like, again, we have urgency. This does not solve your urgent problem. Sorry, this stuff takes a lot of time and energy, but it works. And it’s worth so worth it. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: So true. So true. Seth Perler: Thank you, Debbie. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Yes, Seth it’s always great to chat with you. And by the way everyone, Seth’s talk is with Debbie Reber, we had a really nice conversation. Actually, we talked about a lot of this stuff and how important relationship is, and small wins, and how success begets success. And once you have little micro-successes, the snowball takes over and you get that snowball effect of more successes. So I think that is a really good talk to listen to, too. Seth Perler: Thanks. And you guys can click the link below, free registration for Bright and Quirky. It’s free to go to, I think it’s five days right, through March 12. And yeah. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: That’s right. It’s going to be a lot of fun. Seth Perler: Leave a comment below, give a thumbs up, subscribe, do all the things. If you like what we’re doing, support us here. Have a great day, everybody. Take care. Debbie Steinberg-Kuntz: Thanks.

Boys: Executive Function & ADHD

Here’s a fantastic dive into helping Boys with Executive Function & ADHD challenges with Janet Allison and Jen Fink. Janet and Jen run the “ON BOYS Parenting Podcast” check it out here: https://www.on-boys-podcast.com/welcome/ Also: https://www.boysalive.com/
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Janet Allison: Let’s take it from there. Parents, teachers, and students have been muddling their way through academics this past year. Parents have shouldered the burden of teaching, monitoring homework, and motivating attendance. Teachers have shouldered the burden of connecting in a virtual space with kids, often while parenting their own. Kids have shouldered the burden of, well, all of it. Learning virtually while missing their friends and all the things that go with a normal routine. And if you have an outside-the-box kind of kid, these struggles are only amplified. Our guest today says “If you want to help a kid who is struggling with homework, grades, procrastination, underachievement, time management, and motivation, then you have to understand one thing and one thing only. And that’s executive function.” Welcome, Seth Perler. Seth Perler: It is so good to be here. I’m excited. Good morning. Janet Allison: Great to be here with you. I love that you call yourself a ‘renegade teacher turned executive function coach.’ Start out by telling our listeners, what is executive function? Seth Perler: Well, first of all, before I start out with that, I really do like to take time to acknowledge people. And I want to thank you, because you guys doing this podcast, it doesn’t just happen. There’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes, there was a lot of inspiration that got you started, that same saying, “We want to do this thing, put this thing into the world. We don’t know how to do this, we’ll figure it out,” and right? Yeah, and there’s so much, and then we don’t know how to use the mics, or the tech, or the this or that. And so just acknowledging how much heart, and time, and energy, and love goes into something like this. And just thank you for putting something into the world like this that helps people. So thank you guys. I appreciate that. Janet Allison: Back atcha, Seth. Jen Fink: Janet and I are getting teary over here Seth Perler: Yeah, I mean, this is no small thing that you know, you’ve chosen to take on so. Do you want me to define executive function? Janet Allison: Yeah, that’s a great place to start. Jen Fink: It’s easy to say this is what you need to focus on. And then I need to know, what am i focusing on? Seth Perler: Great, yeah. So to define executive function, let’s start off by saying that a lot of experts define it very differently. And a lot of experts define it in a very clinical way. The problem with that is it makes it seem inaccessible to parents and teachers because the words ‘executive function,’ don’t say what it is. Like, it’s not just like, plain everyday words. But in plain everyday words, all executive function is how our brains help us get things done. Now, that sounds very simple, how our brains help us get things done. But the things that are within that are way more complicated. So when you said in the intro, like “You just got to understand one thing, exective function.” Well, that’s great, but it’s a very complex thing. I don’t want to act like this is just some simple concept. But it’s just getting things done. And in the context of the boys that people are listening for, the things that people who are listening are concerned about them getting done, are not things like Legos, and gaming, and art, and sports or things like that. The things that we are concerned about, the high interest things they have no problem executing on. But the things that they, meanwhile, the words executive function, it’s how the brain helps us execute tasks. That’s why it’s called that, by the way. So but the things that we’re concerned about are two things. And that generally is schoolwork and responsibilities. Those are two very broad categories, but I like to use those because it puts it into context for everybody listening. So let’s recap that. Executive function means how the brain helps us to execute important tasks. Non-preferred activities are what we’re concerned about, and in particular, schoolwork and responsibilities. Why do we care about schoolwork and responsibilities? Because we know, and our gut knows, and our fear, and our body knows that if this kiddo does not figure out, if this boy does not figure this out, how to get important things done, they are going to limit their choices, opportunities, and possibilities for their future. That terrifies us, because the reality of how difficult it is to live in this world, is it requires a lot of execution on things we may not feel like doing. Jen Fink: I love that you acknowledge that because so often, you know we kind of are teasing that part out, that a lot of our parenting is born of this place of fear. The fear is housed in our concern and care for our children. We want these boys to do well. You nailed it when you said terrified. We’re terrified that they won’t. And then often we get stuck there, because we don’t know what do we do next. And so that’s what you’re going to help out. Janet Allison: And it’s that place of, you know, “Oh, if I could just motivate him,” and that, “If we could just do it from the outside and motivate, motivate,” and you cannot make someone be motivated. It’s got to come from within. Seth Perler: Or we can temporarily, and it seems like it or it’s a quick fix or fixes the issue in the moment, but what are some things that you all see people do to motivate kids, whether they work or not? What what are the efforts that people take? Janet Allison: Oh, it’s all the things. It’s either the rewards, you know, more screentime usually. Or, it’s the penalty, less screen time is the big one. Right now, that feels like the only currency that parents have. Jen Fink: That’s one, you know, but parents paying, you know, for chores, or for grades, that’s another one withholding. “If you don’t get this done, you can’t do X, Y, or Z activity or sport.” It’s kind of like bargaining, you know, “You do this and then I’ll give you this,” or I won’t. But the converse. Seth Perler: Excellent. And I asked this, I asked rhetorically, but I just like to hear how other people frame it. So we have punishments and rewards that are often used to motivate. And then what else do you guys see in terms of words that people use to motivate? Logic, reason, nagging, bugging? Jen Fink: Yeah, everybody tries, nagging. Janet Allison: Nagging. You know, and it’s also the future forecasting of if you’re not turning in your homework assignments now, you’re not going to get good grades, you’re not going to get into college, you’re not going to… and, you know, boy #1 is doesn’t really care, quite frankly, and isn’t able to project into the future that far. So it’s just white noise. Seth Perler: Future forecasting, fear. I love that. That’s, that’s a good one. Jen Fink: Yeah, so what do we do? Those don’t work that well. I mean, like you said, maybe temporarily, you might get compliance. But, okay. Seth Perler: Can you talk more about that word? Why did you choose that word? Jen Fink: Temporarily or compliant? Seth Perler: Compliant. Jen Fink: Because I used to be a nurse before I was a parent. And so compliance, we use that term too, which was basically when somebody does what you want them to do, and you would term somebody non- compliant. But that often, it wasn’t that they didn’t want to do the thing, often they didn’t have what they needed to do the thing. So if you call somebody non-compliant for not taking their meds, but the actual issue is they don’t have health insurance and they can’t afford their meds. You’re glossing over. I think this is very similar. So your kid can act compliant for a while, but if you don’t start addressing that underlying issue, you’re not going to get there The kid is not going to be able to continue doing whatever it was he temporarily did, like actually doing the homework while you’re there. You know, do your homework. Seth Perler: Right. So it’s it’s this what’s called an ‘external locus of control,’ where the parent, or the nurse, or somebody is trying to get somebody to comply. And that compliance does not indicate, tell me if the power saw outside is loud. So for all you listeners, there’s a power saw outside. If you guys hear it I’ll close the door. But yeah, we want to get this compliance for them to do the thing that needs to be done. Because we do have the future thinking, we see that this must get done, or there’s gonna be consequences. And so we want the compliance, but then we need to back up too. Well, I don’t necessarily need to back up at this point in the conversation, but we need to really ask ourselves, “Why are they doing this thing?” And it’s usually because they’re told to by the teacher or by whatever to jump through the hoop. So on the one hand, we’re like, yes, our kidneys to figure out how to do things that they don’t feel like doing because no matter what they do in life, they will have to do that. Yeah. But then the question also comes, how reasonable is this thing that they’re being asked to do in the context of everything? So for example, maybe they have math to do, they don’t feel like doing it. And it is actually valuable for them to learn this math, but they’re so far behind, they have 30 assignments to do. Them just like rushing through it and getting it done is not helping them learn math. Is the thing we’re asking them to do, in the grand scheme of things, a reasonable thing in their life. Or maybe the worksheet has 50 problems and they really only need to do three or four high-quality ones to actually get something out of it. It’s like if I’m gonna do push-ups today, and I do 1000 push-ups today and no more for the month, that 1000 push-ups is not going to get me any results. Whereas if I spread them throughout the month, there would actually be some toning going on. But that’s what a lot of the kids, a lot of them in terms of this podcast, a lot of the boys going through, the kids that I work with, are going through this stuff. They’re so far behind. And they’re just trying. We’re trying to get them to be compliant, to motivate them, to get them to do the things, but we’re not giving them internal motivation or an internal locus of control. And then there’s circling back to your question, Jennifer. So what do we do? Jen Fink: So that’s such a common thing, especially right now with the pandemic, it’s really hard on everybody. So you’ve got this kid, Janet, I know you’re working with parents who complain about this. You’ve got this kid who is like, 30 assignments behind in this class, he hasn’t turned anything in and the end of the semesters coming up. Do I just let him fail? Do I just push him through to do these things? What would be your recommendation for that? Seth Perler: So again, sadly, this is complicated, this is not something simple. And there are a lot of experts out there that have, you know, these sort of pat answers for things, and I have sort of pat models for things. But it is complicated. Every kid is complicated. So first answer your question, isn’t that they give you a crappy answer. That’s different for everybody. Jen Fink: I love that honesty. I mean, that’s part of what we’re about here. We do these podcasts because there aren’t any easy answers. So we’re gonna give you bits and pieces, and then listeners, you take what applies to you, your kid, your situation. Seth Perler: Yeah. And second, I think it really is sort of looking at those two things that we were mentioning before, how reasonable is the thing? And then what do you do in that case? Then when they are doing the thing, what do you do to be supportive? So let’s first look at how reasonable is the thing. What can parents do? Well you have to be really realistic in terms of how reasonable the thing is. Now we get into a problem here quite often because parents and teachers will get stuck in this particular trap. Some of you guys have seen this. They’ll say, ‘Well, we know he can do it. We’ve seen him do it before.” Do you guys hear that? Janet Allison: Well, and along with that is we know he can do it, but he didn’t pass the quiz. He didn’t pass the test. And one family I’m working with right now is 70% of his grade is the tests and the quizzes. And he can’t, he can’t do these quizzes, these tests online, he just can’t do it. But he’s doing the work and he knows the material. And he’s getting penalized. I’ll tell you what, that it’s not very motivating for him to do the next assignment. Seth Perler: Very good point. That’s an excellent point. So I’m sorry for everybody listening, because we could go down so many tracks here. Janet Allison: So many rabbit holes. Seth Perler: That one is so important. You have to understand the experience that these boys are having. They have been asked to do things so many times, they have quote, ‘failed’ or it’s not been good enough. They’ve been told, “Redo it, or you forgot to turn your name on it, or you’re getting half credit, or it’s late and you’re getting a zero.” But they’ve been told these things so many times and we forget that we are there to serve them. Now I’m speaking from an educators perspective. I mean, there’s lots of context. But in our ‘quote’ system, we the teachers, the educators, the school, the principals, we are there for them. It’s not the other way around, they are there to comply for us and our rules. We are there to serve them. But what has happened is we’ve created a system with these standards, and this common core, and these tests, and all this crap that gets teachers really off course from why they got into teaching. They got into teaching to help kids. Yeah, they get a lot of pressure from above to do things in certain ways. And almost a lot of them, not all of them, lose sight of why they even got there in the first place. 50% burnout before your fifth year and quit. 50% of the people we have hired to serve our kids quit by year five, what the hell are we doing here? And then the ones who stay, who do you think there are? A lot of them are brilliant, amazing teachers, but a lot of them are compliant. And they’re just like, “It’s good enough or whatever.” And they’re like, yeah, we want that for our kids. Well, that’s the system we’ve created. And then so they’re in a place where they’re like, “I have this pressure to get these kids to look like this on paper, and to walk through these curriculum things, and meet these standards.” But the experience of the boys is, I can’t, for some boys who struggle with executive function, “I can’t do what they’re asking me to do. The absolute load of work.” True story. I was speaking with a kid the other day, a beautiful conversation with this boy. He said, “Seth,” actually I wrote it down. He said, I wrote it down because I’m gonna do a post on it if I can find this, but it was so key. I can’t find it, but he said, “I have so much to do that I could literally spend every waking hour doing it. So he wants to do well, he struggles with executive function and focus. But he would spend every waking hour, every second he said, doing it. So where is the time to be a boy and to experience life? And then when you do it, you’re told it’s not good enough. So he had a teacher accused him of cheating last week. He’s like, “I didn’t cheat.” He’s like, “Actually, I worked so hard on it to do it perfectly, and I spent so much time on this. And then he accused me of cheating.” Janet Allison: It’s demoralizing. It is just demoralizing. Seth Perler: So you have to when we’re looking at what’s reasonable, we really do have to, and when we say things like, “Well, I know you can do it, I’ve seen you do it before,” well, maybe they can do the cognitive work. Maybe when you’ve seen him it do before, all of the stars were aligned, they had good sleep, they didn’t have social issues that particular day, they didn’t have parents issues that particular day, they didn’t have a big pimple that was making them feel completely insecure, particularly like things we don’t even think about that were you know, that was going on that day. But with executive function, this day that they’re not doing it, they don’t have also the executive function, massive skill set to do this. So and now let’s get a little bit deeper with that, and I’ll stay on topic here. But with executive function skills, let’s say how do we get them to do the thing, and we know they can do it? Well, executive function has to do with planning. Maybe they didn’t plan the time out, didn’t manage his time well. It also has to do with emotional regulation. Maybe they’re dysregulated and they don’t have tools to reregulate themselves. They’re not in the prefrontal cortex, the front part of the brain that helps them execute because they’re in the amygdala, and the fight flight or freeze, and their bodies and anxiety. They can’t even get to a place where they can think clearly, yet they’re expected to perform. I had a kid tell me last week that they were, this this was a girl, but she said that she was in an online class and she started to have a panic attack or an anxiety attack, or didn’t know if it was one, and felt like they couldn’t leave the class. Can you imagine being in an online class, you’re required to be visible on the thing, and you’re starting to have an anxiety attack and you can’t take care of yourself? But teachers would never know that. But it just shows some of the just, the again, we’re talking about how do we get them to do the thing? Well, first, we have to really be asking, is the thing reasonable? Is it reasonable from their lens? What are we asking them to do? Why are we asking them to do it? Are we setting them up to have an experience of success or failure? What’s it going to feel like if they do do that. We want them to feel like they accomplished something, like they learned something, like it was valuable. But clearly, we’re seeing a lot of experiences where they’re like, “Why do I have to do this? This is stupid. This makes no sense. I keep trying. Nobody sees how hard I try,” like all these things. So we have sort of that aspect of it. Let’s put that on one side. You know, how do we get them to do the thing? First, let’s examine the thing very realistically from all sorts of angles. And let’s ask the boy, and let’s listen. And let’s ask them more and more and more, not just a surface question. I mean, an in-depth conversation where they do 90% of talking, and we do 90% of the listening and we do 10% of the talking. Jen Fink: One of the things that I have done as a parent of boys who had that missing assignment list growing pretty damn long that I was getting, when I talked to them. A lot of the assignments they were missing were, I’m gonna say it sorry, teachers, they were stupid ones. They were like stupid little five-point homework things. And my son had already calculated. He’s like, “I can skip all of these, and if I do okay, on the test, yeah, who cares? Why am I gonna waste all my time for five points?” And when he explained it to me, I’m like, that makes perfect sense. Skip them. Yeah, skip them. So that listening, and deciding, and realizing what is reasonable for your child in conjunction with your child and then giving yourself and your child permission to let some of it go, it can be incredibly freeing, and create space for you to then work on the other things. Seth Perler: Right. And then let’s look on working on the things we do choose to work on. So now we have a realistic view. We’re gonna say yeah, we you know, you got to pick your battles, here the battles we are going to pick, but we are consciously doing it mindfully with intention right now. Yeah. And we’ve really looked at the battles we’re going to pick. So let’s take your example there with, you know, the assignments that just you really look at them and you do not find legitimate value in them. Or legitimate enough, there may be value in doing the things. But it’s just like, given the time and them failing or not, obviously, your kids perspective is perfect. I mean, you and I, we would as adults, if we were looking at, you know, this system, whether it’s somebody we pay bills to every month or whatever, they want us to jump through certain hoops, the IRS or whatever Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying cheat on your taxes. But that’s an example that makes my head spin. Where you have to jump through a million hoops, and how do you figure that out? But anyhow, so we have this massive list of things to do for your kid to do. Now, the first one, not the first thing, but one thing in like a situation like that, you got a million things, is advocating to the teacher. Now if you have a middle or high schooler, or they’re not going to want you to email the teacher. Most boys will say, “My teacher doesn’t like it when you email them,” blah blah blah or whatever. But you need clarity, and you can email. I’m just going to be real quick on advocacy. But you can email a teacher and say something like, “Hey, please don’t tell my kid this. They’re stressed enough already. Don’t tell him I’m emailing you, just give me some clarity. I need some clarity. What the hell is going on? When do you post your grades? Where do you post your grades? I’m confused. It seems like a bunch of time goes on, then you enter a bunch of them, they then have a bunch of zeros. Then I can’t support my kid. And where are you posting the work? And when we find where you post the work, there aren’t enough details for us to sift through it and I can’t rely on my kid to tell me the details. Help me here.” So first of all, advocate. Be the squeaky wheel, do not give up, be a pain in the butt. CC other teachers, counselors, or admin. If it’s a teacher, now most teachers are amazing and care about your boys. Most. And but there are those ones. It’s not that they don’t care, but there are those ones that are set in their ways that really don’t get it. And that think that “Oh,” and especially now and the pandemic times, like it is, I could really cuss right now. It is just absurd what’s happening with the expectations not changing. And I will say something that’s on my mind right now is, this is one of the best times ever to not take standardized tests. And I don’t know what’s gonna happen with all that. But it’s like, on top of everything, you’re gonna evaluate a kid that just went through this. Seth Perler: I think you’re going to make me cuss too. Jen Fink: I don’t know if I’ve heard you cuss yet. Janet Allison: You haven’t Jen Fink: Hmm, you’ve heard me say it. Janet Allison: That’s the level of frustration. And I want to, I just want to pause and interject here too, because I think that this happens often. And with middle school and high school, you’re talking about the parent emailing the teacher. With this one family in particular that I’m working with, it’s, you know, the encouragement of, of course, the parents encouraging the boy to reach out to the teacher and ask about the quiz. And the mom is going around to the teacher saying, you know, “My boy just needs a few words of encouragement from you. Can you email him directly,” and they don’t do it. And the same situation is, the teacher will say. the parents saying to the teacher, “My boy needs help with this. He’s feeling shy to come to you.” They’ll say, “Well, he needs to reach out to me,” says the teacher Seth Perler: Oh my god. Janet Allison: Or, “I can’t help him right now.” I’m going to cuss. That’s like, that just makes me crazy. He’s in middle school. He probably has the pimple that you were talking about, and he doesn’t have the capability to approach an adult. These are teachers he’s actually never met in-person. He’s never met him in person. Jen Fink: Oh yeah. That too this year. Janet Allison: Oh, baby. I’ll settle down now. Go ahead, Seth. Seth Perler: Yeah, so to put that in a smaller box, it’s advocacy. Whether it’s parents, whether it’s the kid advocating for themselves. Obviously, we want the kid to advocate for themselves, but they don’t have the skills yet. So these are complex skills that they need to learn also. In an ideal world, the kids able to advocate and be like, “Look, you’re serving me.” Not in a condescending way, but in a confident way. But they don’t have that story. Ideally, they’d be like, “Look, you’re serving me, I need help here. Get off your high horse. Let’s figure this out. What can you do to help me?” That’s sort of the ideal, that would be great, you know? But that takes understanding the whole frame, like them having a frame like that, them having the skills of doing it, them having the confidence to do it and blah, blah. Then the parents advocating, yeah, to ask for that. I do again, I want to give so much kudos the teachers. What teachers are going through isn’t ideal. Most teachers are amazing, most teachers are amazing. But the ones who do that in a condescending way, and who don’t get it, and who have that contemptuous tone, I mean that, even the slightest bit of that, the kids feel it’s so deep, and it is so not appropriate. It’s so common, it’s disgusting. But most teachers, I just want to really plug them, we really want to approach them with, “Hey, we’re on the same team. Give you the benefit of the doubt, you probably didn’t know how much time and energy this was taking, or what our family is going through, I don’t need to tell you everything our family is going through because we have a private life, but you do need to know that we are going through some stuff here and our kid cannot do even what’s being asked. So help us here. If they don’t do all this stuff, they’re gonna fail. And it makes sense for my kid to do nothing else in your class this semester. And if we have that fact, we’re gonna not make them do anything for your class.” So like, why would we? If like, why wouldn’t we have them put their energy towards classes, they can be successful. You got to really think these things through parents. So there’s advocacy. Now, let’s say that, you know, you’re getting some support, and your kid really does need to do some stuff, and they are not motivated. And they’re, they’re maybe not even going to be motivated, then how do we help them? Okay. And this is kind of where we’ll probably start wrapping up and moving towards this stuff. This is sort of in my model. Now, the advocacy is actually part of this model. But I wanted to start there. What I do when I’m helping people, boys, but anybody with executive function stuff, the people coming to me are parents of kids are struggling in school. They go through this pattern every semester where everything falls apart, then they try to clean everything up at the end of the semester, and deal with all the missings, and late work, and zeros, and incompletes, and all this stuff. And it’s a pattern year after year after year, and it doesn’t fix itself. The thing is that, you know, the kids will be like, “Oh, this year is different. I’ve turned over a new leaf,” blah, blah, blah. That happens maybe once in 1000 times. Right, what happens is they start off like that, because they really do want to be independent. Jen Fink: It lasts for a week, maybe two. Janet Allison: It’s our new year’s resolution. It’s that, you know, we’re gonna get toned and fit this year. It’s the same thing. Seth Perler: It’s the same thing, and it really is the same thing. I won’t go into the metaphor about that, but it really is the same type of thing. And then things start to fall apart. So the pattern is there. Now, like I said, it won’t fix itself, it won’t fix itself, it won’t fix itself. So what do you do? You need three things. Now this is just Seth talk, you could look up a million people find tons of people with great models, this is just the way I articulate it. But if you want to help your child, I will tell you that this is what I do professionally, and this is where my heart is. So you can trust what I’m about to say. So this is a model that will work for you. Basically, there are three things that these boys need if they’re going to, quote, turn the corner. So I want to get people from point A to point B. Point A is they’re struggling with executive function, they don’t have the skills, they’re going through this pattern all the time over and over and over. Point B is they’ve turned a corner. It is not perfect, there are plenty of issues still, but they’ve turned a corner. What corner have they turned? They’ve turned a corner where you, the parent, you go, “Ahh, this kid’s gonna be okay. They’ve got it good enough. It’s not perfect, but it’s good enough. We have turned a corner.” That sigh of relief, unless you’re a super anxious person, and you have your own anxiety to work with, but when you get to that, so aside from that, when you get to that sigh of relief, you know that your kid turned that corner. You know they’re at that point B. That’s where we want to get. That may take a semester, that may take years. We have to be realistic, this is not “go to this tutoring center, or go to Seth, and go listen to a bunch of podcasts, or this or that and we’ll turn the corner.” This is an investment in your child, your time, your energy, your heart, your money, and whatever it takes to get to that point B. So one thing that’s point A to point B is three things. Seth Perler: Why do these kids resist using planners? Advocating, being honest with their parents, starting their homework, following through with their homework, finishing their homework, putting their name on their homework, checking their homework, putting effort into their homework, doing high-quality work. They resist letting the teacher help them. They resist it. So the problem is resistance. That’s a mindset. And the reason I call it a mindset is it’s, “This is too hard, just too frustrating. This isn’t worth my time, my effort.” What mindset we want is, “Hey, this is actually good for my life. I may not like the teacher, or the class, or all the content, but I can do this. I can handle this. I don’t wait till the last minute. I actually can do things early. I actually don’t have to put 100% effort into everything. I can go for the D sometimes and find out I’ll actually get a C or a B.” Go for the D, this is something that I teach. “And I can just turn the stupid thing in.” And so Jen, when you were talking about your list at the beginning, one of the strategies I probably would use as well, maybe we can get done 5 or 10 or of the 30 and just get them half-assed because you’ll probably get a 70 anyway. But anyhow, it depends on the teacher and the gravity of the assignments. But so the mindset is from Carol Dwek, you know, “I can grow. I can do this, I can get something out of this.” Let’s not stay in analysis paralysis, resistance land. So mindset, you have to work with the mindset. If you’re just a slave driver or a taskmaster, you and your kids executive function, “Just get it done,” punishment, reward, nagging, lecturing, fear all this stuff. That is not changing a mindset. Janet Allison: Mm hmm. And part of that, too, and Jen and I talked about this a lot, is that boys feel shame and embarrassment so deeply. And that’s part of this whole mindset area that needs to be looked at too. Seth Perler: And if you want to hear what I think about shame, look at my post from last week, shame is in the title. And it explores that. Janet Allison: I’ll put the link in the show notes. Seth Perler: Yeah, awesome. I don’t have time to get into that, but it is massive. Massive. I’m glad you brought that up. So now we got systems. Well, there are a finite number of systems that these kids have to have to be successful. Now, kids with good executive function naturally pick up on the systems that seems like through osmosis. It’s not because they’ve actually been learning it for years, but nobody has done what’s called direct instruction. So in school, teachers do what’s called direct instruction, like I am going to directly teach you how to do long division, let’s say. Well, we don’t directly teach executive function skills. So the kids who pick up on it, pick up on it. And with these ones, it goes in one ear and out the other. For years, they haven’t practiced these very important skills. Yeah, so these systems, our system of planning, planners, calendars, daily planning, blah, blah. A system of organizing your backpack, your folders, your locker, your desk, your stuff. A system of starting your homework, having a place to study. Yeah, things like this. A system of knowing how to filter out things through your head to be able to advocate what methods you use. Where do you start? You know, so these are all systems. So we need mindsets, we need systems, and then we need habits and routines. So if this, and this again, goes to “I know you can do it. I’ve seen you do it.” Well, they don’t have the habit and routine of doing it, right? The system is not jelled, the mindsets not there at the moment. But once we have the systems and the mindsets, then we want to use them so that we can build habits and routines because what good is any of that stuff if we don’t have a habit and routine? So I can tell, Jennifer you have pretty good executive function. Jen Fink: You know, it’s interesting. I think I do sometimes, but man I struggle with that whole resistance. Seth Perler: I see your pile behind you. Jen Fink: Oh, yeah, that’s one. You don’t see the other one in front of me. Seth Perler: But that might be a system that works for you. Jen Fink: That’s stuff I don’t need right now. Seth Perler: Well, there’s your planner. Janet Allison: Yeah, I’m a planner person. Jen Fink: I’ve got my planner under my microphone right now. Janet Allison: Still paper and pencil because I tell you what, for our boys, this online scheduling everything is less tangible for them. It’s so hard. So paper and pencil. Yeah, and make it pretty. I mean, I use different colors for different appointments. Seth Perler: So you really go into systems, and it seems like maybe then Jen has them good enough. Right? Jen Fink: Good enough. Seth Perler: And you’ve got, like I said, good enough executive function. And then Janet maybe goes more into “Let’s really develop our systems I see needed. So we have systems, mindsets, habits and routines. Jen Fink: Why I work with Janet, you guys, I work with Janet because she’s better at that stuff than I am. Seth Perler: And yeah, I have an assistant who’s like so good at everything I’m horrible at. But I struggle with this stuff, that is me. I mean I failed out of college, dropped out of a second college, almost failed out of high school. Since first grade, you know, my report cards and first grade said, “Daydreams. Does not pay attention. Lazy.” Blah blah blah blah blah, you know. Janet Allison: Yeah, yeah. Seth Perler: I’ve lived it, and that’s why I love helping these kids. Jen Fink: Mm hmm. And you are a successful adult, I just think we need to draw that out for parents sometimes. With our future forecasting, we look at our kids, and we are afraid that they are not going to be able to live satisfying adult lives, they’re not gonna be able to support themselves. You’re doing all of the things. You’re fine. Seth Perler: Thanks for saying that. I had my struggles and I figured it out. I do not want my kids to go through what I went through, the kids that I work with. And when we have a structure, again, since it’s not taught directly, when we have a structure to teach them these things, they don’t have to go through so much frustration and we can know earlier that they got to that point B. They’re going to be successful. So the thing I hear from parents is, “I just want my kid to be happy and successful.” For them, more than any other sentence ever that I’ve heard from parents. That’s what we all want. And then as we started, this is a nice segue to the beginning, circling back. They’re terrified that their kid won’t be happy and successful. Everybody wants their kid to be happy and successful. They can do it, and they don’t have to look like what our imagination thinks, what standardization seems to imply, or testing, or all of these things seem to imply. What we need to do, if your kid doesn’t fit in the box. I mean, there’s homeschooling, there’s unschooling, there’s don’t worry about school, there’s GEDs, there’s so many options. And that terrifies people. But it doesn’t matter. All we want is them be happy and successful. So let’s get real on what all the options are and let’s build their strengths. School often does not, sadly, not often doesn’t build their strengths. The teachers are well intended. The parents are well intended. But these kids are walking out saying “I hate school. I hate learning.” What? What have we’ve done here? Janet Allison: And we know, I mean, we have created a system that does not work for many of our boys. And so that’s, you know, I love that you’re bringing this wisdom to parents, to our listeners. I think our parents need some reassurance that you know what, your boy might not fit in the academic box, but he still has the skills, and it’s so much about also addressing his passions and interests. Seth Perler: Even if it’s not taught in schools. Janet Allison: Even if it’s not taught in school. Jen Fink: Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Seth Perler: Oh, we’re not just let him play video games all day long. Janet Allison: No, we’re not saying that. Yeah, there are so many things. Yeah. So Seth, where can people find out more from you? This has just been like the tip of the iceberg. This is such a fascinating conversation. Where can people find you? Seth Perler: Yeah, in August we have executivefunctionsummit.com, it’s my executive function summit. I get these amazing experts every year and it’s like an immersive, amazing, crazy weekend of just immersing yourself and these people who really help. It’s for parents. It’s a great experience. SethPerler.com is my website. You can sign up for my weekly updates. YouTube, I’m on YouTube, I have a million videos. But usually, people sign up for my weekly updates on SethPerler.com. Every week, I put something out to the world to be of service to people. Janet Allison: That is so great. And thank you so much for all of that service to the world. I think we all have our hearts in that same place. Reaching out and reassuring parents, it’s all going to be okay. And parents take that sign. Seth did such a great sigh. Take that sigh of relief and share it with your children.  

The Shame of ADHD & Executive Function

Parents, educators, therapists, etc.. if we want to REALLLLLLY help kids who have ADHD or Executive Function challenges, we MUST understand the complexities of how shame impacts them. Here I detail this issue and give insights and solutions so you can better support the kids you are trying to help.
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Video Transcript: Click here to download the transcript PDF. Parents and teachers, shame can be so impactful on these students who struggle with ADHD and executive function. What I’m going to do in this video is I’m going to really break that down for you in a really practical and meaningful way. And I’ll wrap it up, just sort of giving you my most important thoughts about this so that you can better support your child or the students that you work with. So let’s go ahead and get started here. The first thing that I wanted to mention, as I said, we’re going to talk about the impact of shame on ADHD. Who are you? You are parents and teachers, and some of you may be psychotherapists, counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, yada, yada, yada. You guys are your tutors, mentors, you’re people who care about kids you’re concerned about, and you want more answers. And this, this shame thing is such a pervasive problem, but it’s something we don’t often see because of messaging that we grew up with. So you people that are concerned, you want some answers, and I want to start by talking about something called the A to B. I talk a lot about the A to B. The number one thing I ever hear from parents ever is, “I just want my kid to be happy,” or “I just want my kid to be successful,” or “I just want my kid to be happy and healthy, or happy and successful.” However, parents, that is the number one thing I’ve heard in more than 20 years of working with families. So if that’s the goal, that’s really what we all want. It’s your own definition of happiness and success. But that’s really what we all want for our kids. Every single one of you listening, we all want the same thing. So we’re trying to get from this A to this B here. What does that mean? That means that we have a kid who struggles with ADHD or executive function, and we want to get them from point A, we’re really concerned to them, they’re really struggling with this stuff, to point B where they’ve turned a corner. It’s not perfect, but they’ve turned a corner and we can breathe a sigh of relief and go, “Okay, this kid has decent executive function skills, they’re going to be okay, they’re going to be able to live the life that we want them to be able to live.” Well what life do we want them to be able to live? We want them to be able to launch a good future, however they define it. And this is an old Banksy piece if you are familiar with Banksy, a famous artists that nobody knows who he is, interesting character. But, educare, E D U C A R E, educare. The word educare a means, ‘to lift or to raise or to bring up or to bring forth.’ So education, educare, education is literally about lifting people, raising people. I’m raising my child, bringing up my child. Listen to that metaphor, education is about bringing someone up, up. But there’s a problem, when you don’t fit into the system, this education thing may not be working for you. If you struggle, the concern that you have, or that I have, or parents have, what we’re concerned about here is that if this kid is struggling to raise, to lift, to be brought up in this world, so that they can launch that good future. That’s a problem. Executive function has to do with the prefrontal cortex, the front part of the brain. The front part of the brain is where executive function takes place. And it helps us to execute. So people with ADHD struggle in this front part of the brain, the brain is still developing, they got plenty of time. And how do you know if the kids struggling with executive function? Well, they have trouble getting important things done, they’re lacking the skills to get the things done. So these things are usually school things and life responsibilities. They have homework and schoolwork problems, grades are falling, they have this DIP pattern every semester, things fall apart, they have an unrealistic perception of their ability to independently execute their tasks and have the time and energy that is needed to do these things. They often lack future thinking, which is like being able to really put two and two together as far as the consequences are concerned. You know, “Things would be a lot easier if I just finished this. Oh, things will be a lot harder if I make this choice.” There may or may not be a diagnosis of anything. So you can struggle with executive function and not have any diagnosis. If your child struggles with executive function, ADHD, they’re resistant, they avoid their non-preferred activities, things that they don’t feel like doing and they have excuses and they procrastinate on doing the things that need to get done. We’ve got this big problem because the system, so this cartoon says, you’ve probably seen this before, ‘Our education system,’ ‘For a fair selection, everybody has to take the same exam, please climb that tree.’ Clearly the monkey and the bird are gonna look like they are successful according to this test. The fish is going to look the least successful according to this test. So our system often does not recognize executive functioning struggles and other things like neurodiversity, asynchrony, unique brains, differently wired kids, complicated human beings, outside-the-box thinkers, atypical learners, 2e kids, and the fact that there are many spectrums of many things. We are not standardized human beings. We should not be standardized human beings, we’re very complex beings that have different needs, and strengths, and gifts, and talents, and interests, and things like that. So we can’t use the same tests. These kids can often look like a failure in this sort of a system. Now, I want to get to this beautiful quote, ‘I’ve learned that people will forget where you said and forget what you did, but will never forget how you made them feel.’ And as I’m getting into the topic of shame here, how we all want to feel, is we want to feel safe. This is a rock climber, he’s falling, actually if you look closely, you can see that he’s smiling, but he is safe. Because he knows that he’s what’s called on-belay, he’s safe. There’s a person below with the rope who has a special harness, falling is not uncommon in rock climbing. So for him to take that fall, he has a person who’s belaying him, who’s got him is safe. Now for our kids, when we say you know, ‘people will never forget how you make them feel they,’ often feel unsafe. I want to make this very, very, very, very, very, very clear in this video, this is important. They often feel unsafe. What does that mean? Kids who struggle with executive function and ADHD often feel unsafe. Meaning that when they’re trying to execute, when they’re trying to do the things they’re being asked to do, it ends up after months and years of hearing messaging from adults, it starts to feel unsafe to them. We have to understand that, because if we don’t address that there’s a sense in their nervous system that they’re unsafe, we’re not going to be able to help them. Shame feels unsafe. Shame feels like, “I can never do any right. People don’t see how much I try. They don’t notice it everything I try to do. It’s never working out for me, I keep failing, or getting in trouble, or I can’t do anything, right.” And they start to really feel unsafe. What we really want to do is, this is from Polyvagal theory, this thing called safe and social if you’re interested in looking at Polyvagal theory, but we want them to feel safe. We cannot help them if they’re not there. We want them to feel on-belay. If they take a risk, like using a planner, or doing homework, or whatever the thing is, that can be a risk for them. We have to really understand that this can be scary for them. So imagine this climber, like this can be scary, you know. So we need to really support them. Now, what we’re trying to get to, when they feel safe, and we are trying to help them. So you the parent, or you’re the counselor, or teacher, or mentor, or tutor, you’re trying to be helpful. Well, if they feel safe with you, then we can really start to help them and then we can start getting some results. So this is from one of my students who was a high school junior at the time when she texted me this, she said “Yay, the first time ever, I think I can actually get all A’s this quarter. I hope I can do it, just wanted to say thanks for all the help you have given me and pushing me to do the things I need to do in order to succeed,” from Abby. This was a long journey, and I could not have pushed her to do the things she needed to do if she didn’t know she was safe. I just cannot emphasize this enough. That’s what we’re trying to get to. What we’re trying to also do with the safety is to help them with the resistance. The number one problem with ADHD and executive function, as far as I’m concerned is the resistance. What do we resist? We resist doing our homework, or responsibilities, being honest about things, using planners, organizing our stuff, checking our portals, dealing with email and inboxes, reading our assignments, whatever. We resist all these things, and if we don’t feel safe, we are not going to get here where somebody allows us to move through our resistance so that we can overcome these things. Rather than doing that, what ends up often happening is students are having an experience that causes them to say the following. What they’ll often do is they’ll do the bare minimum, stay off the radar, keep the parents off their back, keep the teachers off their back, and then they’ll use strategies to not execute when they are on the radar. They say things like, “School sucks. This is so boring. This is stupid. I don’t want to. I don’t want to do my homework. I don’t want to do this. I hate school. My teacher hates me. I’m bad at math. I’m bad at science. I’m bad at writing. I’m bad at reading. When will I ever use this? I don’t feel like it. Why do I have to do this? This is so stupid. Why should I care about this? For once just trust me, I’ll do it later. Leave me alone. Get off my back. Stop nagging me. Stop bugging me. I’ve got this, I promise I swear I’m on top of it. Stopping so annoying, the teacher lost it or it’s the teachers fault.” So what ends up happening is that the students are saying all of these things to help deal with the fact that when they start doing these things that often is an unsafe experience for them, so they have these methods, these strategies to not do this thing that feels unsafe to them. Okay, we can put that together. When we adults can put two and two together and really understand this, then we can really start being of more service to them. Let’s finally get into shame. So what does shame look like around this stuff? The messages that these kids get, these messages that these kids get, they are rooted in a misunderstanding of executive function, or a lack of understanding, or complete ignorance of understanding. Most parents and teachers have never even heard of executive function. They’ve heard of ADHD, but they don’t know what executive function is, and the ones that do often don’t know a lot about it. Basically, because of this misunderstanding, people, adults, think that the kid is being willful, that they’re just not trying, that they’re making a decision. What does that look like? Here’s what the kids hear, “You’re just lazy. You’re not motivated, you don’t try hard enough. You just need to put forth more effort, you’ve got so much potential. You just need to be more disciplined. You just must not care about school. If you just do this, this, and this, everything would be okay.” What happens, sadly, is that these kids, whether, you know, parents, or teachers say those messages directly or indirectly, they’ve heard those types of messages for years. They can internalize it. Whrn they internalize it, that means that it starts to become a belief about who they are. They start to believe, “I’m bad, I’m bad person. I’m not good enough. I’m not worthy. There’s something wrong with me, I’m broken. I’m not smart, I’m stupid, I’m dumb.” And then they really live in this story. “It’s too hard. I just can’t, I give up. Why should I even try?” And oftentimes, they’ll try from pressuring them enough, or whatever. But is that healthy for them? What do we do here? Well, I love this quote, ‘Once in a while it hits people that they don’t have to experience the world in the way that they’ve been told to.’ And the reason I love that so much is that we don’t have to respond when our kid, let’s say, has an F because of a million missings. We don’t have to respond in the same way that we used to and worry so much about the grades, and getting everything done, and doing all that. We can really start to say, “Wow, this kid is in a position where they have to climb a mountain doing something that’s super hard for them, that feels overwhelming to them, that may not be valuable to them. Even if they did all of their homework, and had no life for the next month and got all caught up, that would be horrible for them because their mental health would suffer. They wouldn’t have time for the fun, or for their friends, or for themselves. And they don’t have the skills to do it, what we’re asking them to do is unreasonable, but we’re gonna push, push, push, push, push them. We don’t have to push, push, push, push, push them necessarily. We can relook at, maybe the kid isn’t conforming that system, maybe this system should be conforming to the kids learning styles, learning needs, neurodiversity. Their uniquely wired attributes, how awesome they are, build on their strengths, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Really, it hits us that we don’t have to respond to the system in the same way. That gives us a choice to not go into messaging that they can internalize, that creates a story that really holds them back from seeing how awesome they are. Well, how do we do this stuff? One of the best ways we do it is our own, our own deep inner work, our own. You know, as adults, our own therapists, our own psychologists, our own counselor, our own friends and support groups, and men’s groups and women’s groups, and self-development books or self-help books. I know some of you are like, “Seth, that’s woowoo this stuff isn’t…”, Look, our own deep inner work, it doesn’t matter what you call it, doesn’t matter if it’s journaling, or meditation, or prayer, or programs that help you do it. But it’s the work that helps us become self-aware and look at our own attachment systems, our own dysfunction, we all have this stuff. If we work on that stuff, we become safer not only for ourselves, but our kids notice that our nervous systems are more regulated, they notice that we’re responding differently. When we respond differently, they can feel safe, they can feel on-belay, they can not feel shamed. Now, finally, now, we can support them to move forward. Okay. So when we do our own deep inner work, this isn’t the only thing, but when we really start doing that, we can start to change the dynamic. And I say this because a lot of you watching, maybe already do your own deep inner work, but a lot of people haven’t been told how to start, or where to start, or how to do your own deep inner work, or that it’s even important, or maybe you grew up in a family system that says, you know, “If you work on yourself and get a counselor that means that you’re bad and there’s something wrong with you. Our family doesn’t do stuff like that,” all sorts of ways. I really want to encourage those of you who may not have gone there yet to make that the most important thing in your life, to start doing your own deep inner work. You will be better for yourself and for your child, or the kids that you work with, if you’re a tutor, or a teacher, or a counselor yourself, or whatever. Finally, last thing I want to say is about the most important thing. Okay? The most important thing, if we circle back to the beginning, all we want is for our kids is to be happy, healthy, successful, whatever that means. It’s the most important thing, forgetting grades, forgetting school, forgetting all of the craziness, forgetting everything else I said. The most important thing is our relationship with our kids. Whether you’re a parent or somebody else who’s working with kids, the most important thing is what I call a ‘securely attached relationship’. It’s attachment theory, I didn’t think of it or anything, it’s out there all over. The most important thing is that our kids feel safe with us, that they have a relationship with us where they feel connected, safe, like we’ve got their back, like we hear them, they really feel like, “Oh, they really hear me, they really get me, they really understand me. They’ve got my back, they see me.” And I know that everybody watching this video, “But I do see them, I do hear them.” That’s not what I’m saying. Listen closely. Do they feel heard? Seen? Understood? Like you’ve got their back? Do they feel that? You know you got their back, you know you’re well intended, you know, you’re doing the best you can. But do they feel that? That’s what we really want to work towards is that relationship is the most important thing. So anything that’s going to help build that is going to help then empower you to empower them to take the actions that are going to help them turn that corner, that A to that B, where they’re taking our guidance, and they’re actually implementing these things so that they can create a great future and they’re not limited, and they’re not struggling, and they have choices, and opportunities, and possibilities in this world that it’s very, very, very, very challenging to live in. My name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach out of Maui. I help struggling students navigate this thing called education. I have a website called SethPerler.com. Go ahead and click on it. You can get freebies, I put out new content every week. If this helped you, share it with somebody, share my work with people. Feel free to leave a comment below. What do you think? What did I leave out, what how’s this resonated with you? Thank you so much for caring about kids and for taking the time to watch this. I hope you have an amazing day. Take care.