TILT Parenting Podcast with Debbie Reber – Executive Function
Recently Debbie Reber interviewed me about Executive Function on her podcast, TILT Parenting. This is my FAVORITE parenting podcast and I definitely recommend subscribing!
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What’s going on, I’m Seth with SethPerler.com and I hope you’re having a great day. Look, I was doing a coaching call with one of my students today, and I thought that would I would do is take some notes on how I do the coaching calls. Basically, what I did on this particular coach and call is after I was done, I jotted down what we had done, and what I’m going to do for you here is go over how I did that, how it worked, why it worked, and try to explain it to you in such a way (this is for parents and teachers), but try to explain it to you in such a way that you can use it to apply to students that you’re working with (your child or your students in your classroom). So basically this particular call was with a student who is in 8th grade, a boy who is pretty motivated, and I’ve been working with him for, its November or so, I’ve been working with him since late August of this year. He’s doing fantastic. He’s got all A’s and 1 B. So obviously were still working together and I’m just really trying to help him end on a strong note. The whole point was that he could be successful in this new school that he’s in, considering his executive function struggles. So things are going very well. He’s had his ups and downs, but he’s in a really good place right now. It’s not the end cuz he still has three more weeks before the end of the semester and the big things are coming up. There is one big sticking point class in particular, but basically, I’m going it was about a 45-minute call and we did this one on Skype. This is somebody that I sometimes see on Skype and sometimes see in person here in California. He doesn’t live in my city, so we see each other about every other week in person, and then we do calls in between. Because if you’re trying to help the kid change, you cannot just see them once in a while. You really have to be responsive and you really have to know that things come up quickly. You have to be ready to respond to that. So we’ll sometimes do quick calls for 5 or 10 or 15 minutes a couple of times a week, and then we’ll do more in-depth ones once or twice a week, and then way in-depth ones of every couple of weeks. So anyhow, there’s no exact system to that. You don’t want to be thinking in a linear way about this because you’re dealing with a human being who’s trying to change. This is not you know, some linear process. You want to be responsive to what’s going on. Anyhow, so, it was about a 45-minute call. In the first 5 minutes of the call, in this particular case today, I spent building rapport. Rebuilding report. So I don’t go straight into things unless there’s an urgent reason. Unless there are some big dropping grades or something big that happened all of a sudden. In this case, that was not the case so I build rapport first. As a parent or teacher when you’re going to start working with a kid who struggles with something, you’re going to want to do the same. I want to build some rapport first. So I spent probably a good five minutes really catching up and saying, “What’s going on? How are you doing? How are your hobbies,” you know, and talking about things that are more personal in meaningful and important to this student. The next thing I did after rapport is we talked specifically about the backpack. This took about 5 minutes. He said his backpack was in pretty good shape but I had him relook at it. Look in the pockets while I was on the call, and just make sure things were in place because a lot of times these kids are kids whose backpacks are just explosively filled with things. With garbage, with old gym shorts, with old sandwiches that are rotting in the bottom of it, with papers that are and crammed in the nooks and crannies, with pencils in 15 different pockets, and stuff like that. So I wanted to be convinced that when he told me his backpack was in good shape that it was. So that’s about 5 minutes to make sure the backpack was in good shape. Along with the backpack, this was an additional 5 minutes, I had him pull out his folders and binders and make sure that things were in a good place. He had already done most that I just wanted to do a quick go-through. When I’m looking with folders and binders, I really want them to be very minimalist and very decluttered. I want them to get rid of papers they do not need to be managing, and folders. So I wanted it to be a very current folder and I wanted to be thin, and usually tell kids there should be about 5 to 10 papers at any given time in any given folder. If you’re only keeping the current stuff in there, and then the stuff that’s not current either gets recycled or gets archived. So we went through the folders and the binder and stuff to make sure that was updated. Then we went through two of his inboxes. This took 20 minutes altogether, there were two accounts. One of the things nowadays since we have this thing called ’email,’ students need to learn, even in 8th-grade, need to learn how to manage an inbox. They really need to learn how to manage an inbox so that when they get into high school and college and they’re getting emails from professors or from teachers or things that are relevant to their schooling. They need to know how to manage those emails, reply to those emails, send emails proactively, how to read through them, how to archive them, how to delete them. They need to know how to manage an inbox. We spent a good bit of time on that. I usually have students who will do massive overhauls on inboxes. I have them unsubscribe from everything I can possibly get them to unsubscribe from, you know, these kids get alerts for everything, we turn them off. Why do they need YouTube alerts or Facebook alerts and get 50 emails on that when they also get the alerts on YouTube and Facebook, and whatever. So I usually try to convince them to get rid of those. You know, a lot of them are subscribed to things in their hobby areas where they’re getting coupons or updates or whatever. I try to get them to unsubscribe from those because I really want them not to have 30,000 e-mails when they’re 20 years old. So we spent quite a bit of time going through the inbox, replying to things that needed to be replied to. We also sent a couple of emails today. So we sent two advocacy emails to teachers. So we had checked the grades, I’ll get back to that because that was part of it today too, we check the grades, and then we sent out two emails. What I did on the first one is I wrote it for him real quick. I sent it to him, had him check it over, change it, and send it off to that teacher. Because I was having trouble getting him started. He was resistant to it, and then he did want to do the second one on his own we talked through what to say is pretty quick. I always keep these advocacy emails pretty quick: Hey teacher, you know, I got this thing due, I have this absence. I need to get the makeup work. Can you help me with that? Can we do it tomorrow? I want the kids to be really specific in the email about when they’re going to see the teacher and what they need and what they need clarity on. You’ve probably seen some of my videos about advocacy emails. But basically we needed to write two of these emails and get them out. He said, “Oh, well, I will wall talk to my teacher tomorrow,” and I’m like, “Just write the email, let’s get the ball rolling.” and they always do that. They say, “Oh, well, I’ll talk to my teacher in school. I’ll go to office hours. I’ll talk to them after class.” I’m like, “Yeah, you might, but let’s get the ball rolling because you probably won’t,” because that’s what I’ve learned in years of doing this, is the likelihood of them not seeing their teacher when they promised they will, is probably 90%, which means that there’s a 10% success rate. And these are arbitrary numbers, I’m just telling you my vibe. Usually about 10% of the time they’ll actually follow through with doing that. So that’s why I want the email to help with accountability. Now to back up a step, like I said, we also check the online grades. The online grades took about 15 minutes. We did a screen share on Zoom. When I’m looking at his grades, I’m looking for outliers. I’m looking for missing assignments. I’m looking for incomplete assignments and I’m looking for patterns. Sometimes I see a pattern where kid has a bunch of hundreds on homework, and a bunch of 60%’s on tests. So, they may have a B in the class, but I notice that there was a pattern with tests. So you as a parent or teacher want to look for these patterns. If there’s a bunch of 60’s in tests, you know they’re not preparing for a test. So, you know, you need to address, how are we preparing for a test and how can that get better? If they have good test scores and a bunch of zeros on homeworks or a bunch of 50% on homeworks, or something like that then, you know you need to work on the homework. How do you improve the quality of that? If you see a bunch of zeros, you’re like, how do we work on getting those homeworks in? What’s the problem there? So when you’re looking at grades, you don’t care about the percentage, you care about the patterns because that gives you insights into something you can do, something you can do about. And then we talked about his number one priority for today. Today happens to be a Sunday when I’m recording this video. I always ask kids, “What is your number one priority today regarding school?” I also asked him what his number one priority is today, since we spoke so much on school, I wanted to lighten it up. I also asked him, “What is your number one priority today for fun? And what is your number one priority today for yourself that’s not necessarily fun, but that’s good for you to do?” So that was three number one priorities I asked about. But, of course, the one I was mainly interested in was what is the number one priority that you need to worry about today with school. What I want them to do is get in the habit of doing their number one priority first to completion before other stuff. Generally, this is a good habit for them to get into as a successful student anyhow. So that’s the gist of the whole call. Again, that particular call took about 45 minutes. And again, here’s what we went through. I’m going to go through this very quickly though now. (1) I built a rapport first to make him comfortable, make him ready to dive into the stuff. You’re not going to go straight into it, you’re going to warm them up and get into rapport and see how they’re doing. (2) talk about the backpack. The order doesn’t necessarily matter, this is just the order I did today. Two, we went over the backpack, (3) we went over to the folders and the binder. (4) We went over the email inboxes and updating that. (5) We went into the online grades. (6) We went into the advocacy letters after we knew what was going on with the grades. (7) We went into the number one priority. (8) I forgot number eight. We also went into the planner and updated the planner. As we were going through it, we would see things in the gradebook that were missing or incomplete or whatever. We would add those into the planner, so we had the planner out the whole time. I usually will ask them to open the planner, update it, and keep it out because it’s a living organism. You want to be using the planner. That’s your most important tool as a successful student. So that was eight things that we did. And I just wanted, again, to talk through how I might do a coaching call in. This is pretty typical. Sometimes the last 15 minutes, sometimes the last an hour and a half, sometimes we’ll get started on something and I’ll say okay, “Why don’t you work on that particular thing for a half-hour and we’ll touch base in a half-hour,” because they need to get traction on something whether it’s an assignment, writing assignment, a reading assignment, a project, or massive planning, or massive overhaul of the backpack. I mean, there’s no reason for me to be on Skype with them if they’re overhauling their entire backpack and it takes a half-hour, but I can provide accountability and say, “In a half-hour, we’re going to touch bases do it right now. Does that sound good to you?” “Yes, it does.” “Okay, cool. Let’s do that.” So anyhow, that’s a pretty good framework for a lot of the coaching calls that we’re going to be doing. Now, a thing that I didn’t mention that will often happen in my coaching calls is dealing with the emotional aspects of what’s going on with them. So my kids are resistant and they’re avoidant. They have excuses. They have patterns of thought that are limiting. Limiting beliefs, self-defeating beliefs, beliefs that they’re lazy, that they’re not motivated, that this or that. These are all emotional issues. Resistance is emotional. We have an emotional resistance to doing things we don’t want to do. When you struggle with executive function, one of the biggest things, maybe even the biggest things, is becoming comfortable with things that are uncomfortable. Like doing things you don’t feel like doing. Like homework or cleaning your room or writing papers or using a planner or getting started when you want to procrastinate. All of these things, overcoming these things, requires an ability to be uncomfortable and be okay with that and be able to do it anyhow for your own long-term well-being, when in the short time term, you feel like you’re being resistant. A lot of the time that I spend on calls is spent dealing with how to deal with your own resistance, your own stories, your own narratives, your own limiting beliefs, your own self-defeating beliefs. And how do we change that? So that today the kid is in a great place. He’s working through the stuff. He’s getting all A’s and one B. We didn’t need to spend any time doing that. But that is very common for me to spend a good bit of the call on chipping away, at working through those things. This is not at perfection game. You know, usually when you’re helping these kids change, you’re not making anything perfect. You’re just trying to get them on a different trajectory. You’re trying to get them on an upswing rather than a downswing in their life in school in attitudes and their belief systems, so that’s the goal. I mean, we want them to be happy and successful in life. So that’s what’s behind all the decisions that I’m making on a call. Anyhow, I hope that was helpful to you. If you haven’t subscribed to my YouTube Channel, please subscribe, it helps me and helps my channel grow, my blog grow, and helps get my message out, and I’d love it if you would share this with somebody that you care about and if you have any suggestions, or you want to write to me or anything, please go ahead. I’d love to hear from my readers. Have an awesome day, I will see you soon. Please CLICK below to share.Video transcript:
Hey, what’s up? It’s me, Seth with SethPerler.com. I hope you having a great day. It is probably Thanksgiving break for you all. So I am sending this out a little bit early this week. And what I wanted to talk about today is how to do your homework over Thanksgiving break. Here’s the problem. (1) It doesn’t happen. Students often, and parents often, intend to get certain projects done over Thanksgiving break or on trips or vacations and stuff like this, but it usually doesn’t happen with kids who struggle with executive function. Now why it’s really important right now is because it is crunch time. It is the end of the semester. After Thanksgiving break, you guys have two or three weeks before winter break. And if your grades are at all borderline grades, like if you have a C that may become a D or an F and you’re trying to bring it back up. If your grades are not where you want them to be, what’s likely to happen is that things are actually going to get worse right now. So you have to anticipate that in order to plan for it. And what I mean by getting worse is that the last week of school before the break is often filled with exams, papers, projects, and something that has to do with the reading assignments. So there are four things, longer reading assignments that something has to be done with them, big projects, big exams, big papers or essays or what-have-you. So there are four big things aside from the normal homework. But usually on that last week, those things are due and when students struggle with executive function they often don’t get them done or don’t get them done in time. And then they’re rushing to get it in and it’s just not high quality. So one of the problems is (1) that is crunch time. (2) Another problem that’s going on right now, particularly with the break, is that those of us who struggle with executive functioning have an unrealistic expectation of how much time or perception of how much time and energy it will take to accomplish the tasks that need to be done. So a lot of you right now know that you want to get something done over break and you might be telling your parents, “Yeah. I’m going to get this done. I’ll get it done Saturday or I’ll do it over break. Just leave me alone.” Well, unfortunately having an unrealistic perception of how long and how much energy it’s going to take and not having a real clear plan of when you’re actually going to do it is going to make it more likely that you’re not going to do it and then you’re either going to be rushing at the last minute Sunday night or avoiding it altogether. So here is what I recommend. Number one: Over your break don’t plan that you’re going to over Thanksgiving break work a half-hour on Thursday, Friday Saturday, and Sunday. Don’t do that. It’s not realistic. A half-hour isn’t even enough time to get started. So what you want to do is you want to plan a large chunk of time to do this work. So you want to plan like a 3 to 5-hour chunk even if it doesn’t take you that long. Plan that chunk of time so that you can really get into your work focus on it and be done with it. I really recommend getting it done in one large chunk. Now you want to plan that early in the day or early in the vacation. So for example, if you can do that on Friday, get it done on Friday. Don’t wait till Sunday, but get it done as early in the break as possible, and then get it done as early in the day is possible. Don’t wait till Sunday night. Don’t wait till Saturday night, Friday night. Do it in the morning. Do it early in the day, the earlier in the day the better. Number two: Next you’re going to want to make a detailed plan of when you’re going to do it and what you’re going to do. So I recommend using something like this although you certainly don’t have to, but this is my today’s plan sheet that is on my website, but it has your number one priority. It has a list of tasks and then you can write how long you think it’ll take and put what order you want to do them in. So make a very clear plan, a detailed plan of how you’re going to do the work, and what time you intend to do it on what day. So you want to say, “I’m going to work on my stuff from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday. And I’m going to do this and this in this order.” So the better your plan the more likely you are to do it. Number three: And then finally you want to use a timer to help you get started. If you’re somebody who procrastinates, get a digital timer that is not on your cell phone and use that timer to help you started. Go ahead and set it for 10 minutes, just to get a 10-minute little push. Or 20 minutes or 15, but whatever it is, but make it so that it’s not an overwhelming amount of time and use it to help you get started. And guess what? You’re going to stop and you’re going to need to get started again. That’s what happens when you struggle with focusing on things for long periods of time. You’re going to get distracted. Well, how do you get undistracted? It’s not rocket science, you just restart. And the timer is just a great way to restart. So recheck your plan see where you’re at on it and restart. So again, those things were boom: (1) plan large chunks (2) plan them early in the day and early in the vacation (3) make sure your plan of what you’re going to do during that time is detailed and use a timer to start. I do hope you have an awesome Thanksgiving break. I’m very grateful for you, and I hope you are grateful for the education you’re getting in the end. Just have a great break right now. Take care.Video transcript:
Hey students. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Look, if you want to get your F’s to A’s, if you want to raise your grades, if you want to finish the semester on a strong note, if you’re a middle school or a high school or a college student and you got a bunch of F’s, listen. Today is November 12th, and you got a bunch of F’s and you want to get A’s, chances are you’re not going to get A’s. But you can get these D’s or C’s or B’s and sometimes you actually can pull it off and get it A’s. So I’m going to tell you 13 things to do to turn it around right now, the end of the semester is right around the corner. Okay. Basically, it’s November in a couple of weeks. You have Thanksgiving break, so you’re not even going to be in school, and in two weeks in December you’re done with the semester and it’s over. What tends to happen is that a lot of students who struggle with Executive Function things, they get very unrealistic like, “Oh I got this, I’ll figure it out,” and they procrastinate, procrastinate, procrastinate. The next thing, you know, you got a few F’s, you have to retake classes, you have to do something annoying because you put yourself in a position where you got F’s and you think that you’re going to be able to pull it off but you’re not actually taking the actions. So if you are one of those people and you’re being honest with yourself and you’re like, “You know what, I really do kind of struggle with this stuff. I really am kind of disorganized. I forget stuff. I lie to my parents. I lie to myself. You know, I just really don’t put a lot of time into studying and it’s really not working,” and if you actually want to change that, listen to this video. I’m going to tell you 13 things. Here we go right now. Number 1: Be honest with yourself. Just be honest with yourself and own it. It’s okay. Stop making excuses. Just say to your parents, “Hey guys. Guess what? I’m failing four classes,” or whatever the case, is just like “I’m sorry, but I’m working on it and I need some help and I know that I pushed you away and I tell you to leave me alone and trust me. I’ve got this and stuff, but I don’t. I need help. So, can you help me like this? Can you help me like that? Can you hold me accountable,” whatever. So the number one step is to be honest with yourself. Look, there’s no shame in this. Stop lying to yourself. What we do is we get stressed out and we do not like being stressed out. So what happens is we become what’s called avoidant. If you’re a middle school, high school, or college student who’s getting all these bad grades, what happens is that you tend to become avoidant, which means that when the stress starts coming most of you push it away. You say “I don’t even think about it. I’m going to procrastinate I’ll get to it later. Let’s go play some more video games. Let’s go hang out with my friends. Let’s go this that do this that or the other, but let’s not address the problem. I’ll get to it later.” Okay. So be honest with yourself. When your parents are bugging you and they’re like, “Why didn’t you do this? And when are you going to do that?” and just be honest with them. You can say, “I don’t know,” or you can say, “Well I intend to do it later today, but I may not because,” whatever it is doesn’t matter, just be honest with yourself and with them. Don’t get defensive. Don’t be like, “oh leave me alone.” Be like, “you’re right. You’re right. Okay, I’m working on it.” Maybe you can let your parents help you and stuff like that. So number one, be honest about the situation. Number 2: Now what I want you to do is go to your computer, open up your grade program, go to the part of the grade program where it shows the details of the class. I don’t care about the grade in your class. I don’t care if you have a 47%, a 67%, or 99%. Go to the pages that show the details of the classes that show each individual assignment. Click print, print it up. And then I want you to take your handy-dandy highlighter and highlight all the things that you want to address. Usually, they’re missings, incompletes, or scores that are really low where you’re able to do corrections or do something to raise the score. I don’t care about anything else. Highlight only the things that may possibly be actionable items. Number two, print your grades and start to deal with those. Number 3: Email your teachers with honesty and integrity. What that means is you write a very short email, don’t get overwhelmed because I’m telling you to do this. Don’t be like, “oh I don’t feel like writing an email,” just write the stupid email. Okay, trust me, please. I’ve done this a lot with a lot of students because it works. A little short email to your teacher: “Hey, Miss Smith. What’s up? I hope you having a good weekend. Look, I’m failing your class and I need some help, do any suggestions for me?” Boom. Click send. The reason you want to email your teachers, there are a few reasons and a few benefits, and all of who are watching this video right now are probably resistant like, “Oh, I don’t need to email them. I’m going to go see him tomorrow and office hours. I’ll see him Thursday. I’ll talk to them, I promise I’m going to talk to him. I’ll go to them at the beginning of class, I’ll go to them at the end of the class,” you know what, you’re lying to yourself. Why am I saying that and I don’t even know you? Because I work with hundreds of students that say the same thing, and the fact is that when they don’t create a system for holding themselves accountable, they forget but they don’t mean to forget. They fully intend to go see the teacher but they forget. So you want to hold yourself accountable, you want to hold yourself to a higher standard. You want to make sure you cover your bases and get your butt in to see that teacher. So you’re going to say “Hey, what’s up. I’m failing class and need a little bit of help. Can you give me any suggestions,” and you want to ask, “Can I come into office hours?” and you want to be specific, “Can I come see you tomorrow at 3 pm for a couple of minutes and make a plan,” or whatever. Ask them for something specific, okay. Next, after you email them with honesty and integrity and you’re just like honest with them and you’re like, “This where I’m at. Sorry, but I need help,” and don’t be ashamed of it. Number 4: After you email them, you do want to now go in to see them during office hours or the beginning class or the end of class, or whatever. You want to be present in-person with them. Writing that email and going to see them shows them through your actions, not your intentions, but through your actions that you care about your grade. When you go to them and you quote ‘ask for help,’ and you are humble and you go with integrity and you’re honest teachers respond positively. Of course, I know a lot of you were here saying, “Yeah, but you don’t understand! My teacher hates me,” or whatever. You know what, I don’t care if you feel that way or not. Honestly just go in and do it anyway because this is not about your teacher. This is about you and your life and your results. I don’t want you to be repeating a class. I don’t want you to be the one dealing with the consequences of the F. The teacher goes on with their life, they’re not getting the F. So this is about you, even if you feel like they don’t like you or they won’t listen to you, or whatever. Just trust me and do it. Anyway, what’s the worst that can happen? So you’ve done the first steps. Number 5: Now, you’re going to overhaul your materials. I want you to take every single thing that has to do with school, put it on the middle of the floor in the living room, spread it all out, and go through it. Every paper, every book, every sticky note, every gum wrapper, every everything. Bring everything over from your locker or your desk, bring everything from your desk in your bedroom. Put it all out in one place and make sense of it. Ask your parents or brother or sister or friend or a relative or somebody to hang out with you for a little bit and make sense of it. Get someone who’s really organized because they’re good at that stuff. Okay, and what you want to do if you want to start making piles. One pile is probably your favorite pile, it’s the recycle pile. Get a pile of everything you never need to look at again. Then, make a pile for things that need to be addressed and things that need to be dealt with. Make a pile for things that you need to put back in the folders, and so on and so forth, just get everything organized. So that’s the next thing is to overhaul everything. Now when you overhaul everything, the most important aspect of your overhauling all your papers and stuff is to make a pile of the things that must be dealt with that are called ‘urgent.’ Your most urgent items should be in a very accessible, visible place. So the things that are urgent, put them in an inbox put them in your planner on the front page your planner, put them in a queue folder if you watch my queue folder videos, whatever it is. Okay, I want you to get the most urgent things in your face so that you have to see them and you have to deal with them. Number 6: Next, update your planner thoroughly. I like to get students rip out every page from the past, okay. Today is November 12th, get rid of everything from the earlier in the school year. Get rid of all of it. Your planner will become a lot lighter in a lot more manageable. And for this week, you only have to worry about through December 15th, roughly for all of you. Write every detail you can that you need to do this week. Get everything in that planner. Look at your grade sheets, the ones that you just printed. Write those things in your planner when you’re going to do them, write reminders on when to turn them in, make sticky notes, I don’t care what you do, but get details in your planner. Get very granular. Very very very very very detailed with your planner, ask an organized person to help you get the things into your planner. Be humble and honest about it. I know you’re going to resist and be like, “I don’t feel like it. I’ll do it tomorrow. I’ll do it Wednesday blah blah.” Look just do it. Today, Sunday, spend a couple of hours tonight. Tell your friends not to bug you. Turn off your technology, any distractions, put the dog outside, whatever. You need to do this to make your life easier. Okay, so get started tonight. Number 7: Make a sane master plan. The master plan is different than the planner. The master plan is kind of like where you’re going to take something like this (a sheet of lined paper), and just list out all of the things that need to be done. And then you’re going to put a number by them in the order that you want to do them. So maybe number one is down here, and number two is right here, number three here, and number four up here. You want to get everything on one master plan and then start crossing it out as you finish them. Then you need to decide what order you’re going to do the things in the master plan. What I usually say to people is, ‘do you want to start with the easiest first, the hardest first, the shortest first, the longest first, or the most important first,’ and then you can kind of decide your style. People have different styles and you know, your parents might say, “Oh you should do the most important first,” well that might not be your style, or that might be your style. Or your parents might say they always used to do the easiest first because it’ll get the ball rolling. Your friends might say, oh you should do the hardest first. People have different opinions. Look for your style and do what works for you, but you do want to have some coating for the biggest priorities for sure. So, make your master plan that is sane. So meaning, you’re not going to do everything on the master plan also, you need to know this. You need to be honest with yourself. Let’s say if you have 30 assignments that you need to get turned in before the end of the semester. If you do 10, that might be a success. If you do 23, that might be a success. It’s not likely because I would work with students all the time, it’s not likely that you’re actually going to do all of them. So just be careful how you prioritize and do what you need to do so that you’re passing. Don’t worry about the beginning of the video when I was talking about F’s to A’s. Don’t worry about the A’s, just worried about getting yourself out of the hole. You got to be realistic with yourself at this point. Number 8: Get accountability. That means to get a friend or family member or a parent, get somebody to hold you accountable. In other words, if you say, “I will do these three assignments today,” you tell somebody and you say, “if I don’t do these three assignments today, I’m going to give you a hundred bucks.” No, you don’t have to do any of that. But you do want to say “Hey, will you help me stay accountable. I’m making a commitment that I’m going to do these three things today. Will you check on me and see that?” You’re asking for support. That’s what accountability is. Say to your parents, “look I’m going to finish these homework assignments by 5 pm. Will you help make sure I do that and help me stay accountable?” Why do you want accountability? Because we often can’t depend on ourselves to hold ourselves accountable, so we ask others to help us with that. So get someone to help us be accountable for that. I’m going to help you be kind of bowl anybody. Number 9: Get started on the master plan. Now in order to start on your master plan, you have to have a concrete idea of what you’re going to do. If you have an abstract idea of what you’re going to do, you’re stressed out, you’re going to be avoidant, and you’re going to procrastinate. Give a concrete idea of what you’re going to do, meaning if you have a good plan and if you use a digital timer to help you get started are two things that help make it concrete and help you get started. So our next thing is to get started. Getting started is the hardest part. That’s half the battle. That’s 90% of the battle is just getting started. Now, you also have to have in order to get started is a SSS, a sacred study space, a good place to focus that is free of distraction and maximized for focus. If you don’t have a good place to study you better do that first thing. So you need a sacred study space, a great place to study and focus on your stuff that’s free of distractions. I recommend using timers and you need a concrete plan of what you’re going to do. Number 10: Next thing, after number 10, after you start. The next thing to do is start again. People, start again. Why? Because you will get sidetracked. You will get distracted. You will forget what you were doing. You will daydream, you will go into la-la land. Well guess what, get started again. Number 11: After you get started again, get started again because you’re going to get off track again. And I’m going to keep saying this. Get started again, get started again, get started again. Don’t imagine that you’re going to sit there for 3 hours and crank out 5 Math assignments. It’s not going to happen. It never happens. Okay, be honest with yourself. Go back to number one. Be honest with yourself. So not if, but when, you get sidetracked and distracted and procrastinate-y, start again. Then start again. Then start again. What happens is a lot of people don’t start again, and then they go further and further and further behind. Number 12: Repeat this exact process next weekend and the next weekend and the next weekend. Repeat the process every weekend. Go through this video, watch it again, hit pause every time I tell you to do something and do it and go through it every weekend. If you do this, you will be passing your classes, I guarantee it. Step 13: The final step. Be proactive with what’s coming on in the last week of school. The last week before winter break, you’re going to have exams, papers, projects, and reading assignments that must be done. Those are four things. You do not want to wait until the night before to study for your finals, to do massive reading assignments, to finish your projects, or to write papers. So a lot of people, myself included, really struggled with being proactive and they wait until the last minute and then they dig a huge hole for themselves. And one of two things happens, either they who they work really hard and they pull it off, and sometimes even pulled off and do well. Most of the time they pull it off and get a C or D or whatever, and it’s just not high-quality work and it doesn’t represent what you’re capable of and you lost the opportunity to learn something and to grow from it, or they avoid it altogether. The pressure is too high. They say, “I’ll do it. I’ll do it. I promise I’ll do it. I promise I’ll do it.” They avoid avoid avoid avoid and all of a sudden, the last day of the semester comes, those things weren’t done and end up failing. So those are the two things that happen. You want to be proactive, meaning when you get these assignments with these study guides or these rubrics or whatever, you want to get started on it early. Okay, and get it in your planner. So those are 13 things going to go over those real quick.My 11-year old daughter is drowning in 6th grade. She’s a very smart kid, but too many moving parts. I’m trying to figure out how to get the school on board with helping her… it’s becoming a full time job for me.In this in-depth video, I describe how the “Dip” pattern happens, how and why student resistance increases, how more overwhelm affects kids, and how making schoolwork more “concrete” helps. I also discuss 2 types of teachers, and 2 sub-types and why it matters. I explain 2 big mistakes some teachers make and 2 solutions. Finally I discuss what parents can do to help. Good luck! — Seth
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Hey, what’s up is to suffer suffer., Hope you’re having a great day. Sorry about the t-shirt and looking so Slappy if my mom is watching that she probably is because she watches my videos to my blog. She’s probably saying honey. You look like a slapped. Why are you dressed like that? Just kidding? Hi, Mom. Hi, everybody. I have I got an email that I think is really interesting here. And it goes like that’s my 11 year old daughter is drowning in 6th grade. She’s a very smart kid, but too many moving Parts. I’m trying to figure out how to get the school on board with helping her becoming a full-time job for me. Okay. So first of all, this is the time in the semester, this is mid October when your child is probably going through the depth and if your child is in 6th grade, this is the time when a lot of interesting pattern and start diving because I’m 5th grade. There’s a lot of hand-holding a lot of support and in 6th grade the game completely changes sometimes teachers are really supportive and sometimes they try to be but they’re not so what I’m going to do in this video is I’m going to break this down. I’m going to look at sort of the teachers part and then the parents park I’m going to give you guys tips and insights on both sides of it. So first of all, you have to understand that this dip pattern is not going to go away your daughter is going to experience it in 7th grade 8th grade ninth grade tenth grade 11th grade in your job her job. The teacher job is to help make the dip smaller. It’s not probably going to go away but we want to help him get systems in place so that they don’t have as much of a dip and they don’t have to swim upstream as much now, some kids can really turn it around and get these habits really strong so that they’re not avoid experiencing it at all and when I say, Some kids, I mean some right brained kids to start with executive function left brain kids off and have no trouble they are many of them don’t experience a dip in anyway because they’re really quote on top of things. But that’s not what we were talking about here. Now if your child is going through this thing where there are so many moving Parts in their overwhelmed then the problem is is that one of the problems is that their resistance is going to increase. So if they don’t figure this out there going to become more resistant because they’re going to associate school with more unpleasant things more emotional pain less emotional safety. It’s going to be and not fun place for them and they’re going to associate that with learning in school and education. We don’t want that to happen. So again, one of the problems is that has there is more overwhelmed resistance will increase and then that becomes harder and harder for parents to deal with to get them to be quote motivated as Resistance increases. How do you get the resistance to get smaller? How do you accomplish this stuff while you have to make things concrete? Okay, if she’s swimming in Vita if she’s drowning in these details, how do you get her to learn to manage the details? We have to make it from abstract to concrete. I’ll explain that a little bit right now abstract. Is this I have to do homework tonight. I don’t know how long it’s going to take. It’s overwhelming. That’s all I know that’s abstract abstraction feel very unsafe because it’s not concrete. There’s no endpoint you want to resist it cuz you don’t know how much time and energy it’s going to take concrete means I have homework today. I have it in for classes at this this this and this I’m going to be spending about this much time on it. I’m going to start at this time, and I’m going to end it this time and I’ll get everything back in my backpack and I’ll be done that’s concrete. So when getting from abstract to concrete takes time and practice and oftentimes when you’re not getting clear message from the teacher and You have to rely on a kid is not great at planners to tell you what accurately what’s going on. That’s very difficult. Any I’ll let me move on to a teacher’s so I’m going to talk about two types of teachers. There are two main categories of teachers. I’m going to talk about right now one is right brain teachers to is Left Brain teachers right brain teachers tend to be more creative more free more chill more relaxed more loose. And so that’s your right brain teachers the vast majority of teachers. I’ve noticed are left-brained. They’re very structured organized people. They do school while they system and I swap now within the left brain teachers there two types of teachers those that understand right brain people in those that don’t the left rein teachers that are very structure that understand right brain kids while they’re often awesome for raping kids because they bring so much structure, but they also bring the compassion and understanding to help us could be successful left-brain teachers who do not get right brain people off. Then we’ll say things like this. I’m trying to teach your kid responsibility. I’m just trying to let you know they have to follow these rules. I need to give him these world. I’m going to mark them down half off if it played blah blah blah, they’re very rigid and they’re very strict and and they’re not flexible and they don’t understand what’s going on with executive function and oftentimes these left brain teachers who do not get it. They’re not as compassionate. They don’t understand. They think that it’s a matter of that your kids not trying at your kid doesn’t care about school that your kid is lazy that your kid is unmotivated. All these things are lie. So there are two big mistakes that teachers will make one is that they have this misunderstanding and don’t understand executive function and they think that they’re teaching responsibility and they think that they’re just being lazy and they’re blaming it on the wrong things mistake number two is that they don’t understand the time and energy that is required for some kids. To process in to do their work. They don’t understand that your child is coming home and spending 3 hours on something that a highly structured left brain kid will take 20 or 30 minutes to do they don’t understand that your kid is absolutely. That they don’t understand that your kid is emotionally worn down that after a day of school. They don’t have the energy and it takes so much for that. So they don’t they can’t see inside your house and they don’t understand how deeply in need your kid is of downtime. And so those are the two mistakes one not understanding is that get a function to not understand the time and energy to take saliva. Skip the process now, they’re two solutions that I have here for teachers. One of the solutions is that they learn about executive function. How come they learn while I have a PDF that you can print share with them or you can look on my site and use that stuff. But you can do anything. Now lot of teachers will and principles and counselors will think that they’d understand executive function, but they do not they Very vaguely understand that they know the word and throw it around but they don’t actually get it. So the solution number one is for them to really get it for them to really take time and trainings and what have you in school and Val. Are you learning about executive function cuz executive function as what’s affecting all of their kids that are getting D’s in apps that have Asperger’s autism. Dyslexia ADHD bipolar sensory integration issues addiction issues. All of these things. These kids are struggling with executive function on some level but teachers don’t know what it is. Why don’t teachers know what it is. Well, that’s a whole nother video in a whole nother story. But my thinking is that the system we are so driven by standards and by his testing and buy the wrong things that were not we don’t care about that because that’s where my executive function is hard if it takes time and energy and understanding working with numbers and data and data collection and tasks is easy and it’s highly profitable for math of companies that are profiting off of education. So that’s my take on that. Fallujah number one with learn about ETF solution number to for teachers is to really focus on meeting the needs of these kids too many teachers do this really well, even if if there is no IEP or 504 many teachers make a combination to make modifications for these kids. They don’t assign busy work. They give less homework. They have more engaging assignment. They have shorter assignments. They give kids options for products most teachers just think the products as test quizzes exams and papers. Like those are the main products that there’s so many ways to show their learning a lot of great teachers who are meeting their needs. Are you doing Project based assignment? They use less boring assignments. They don’t depend on the textbooks. They don’t do a bunch of stupid worksheets. So now if a teacher doesn’t do this stuff, you have to Advocate to get these things and I have an advocate us a few hours because he thinks on my site that might be helpful for you, but you have to really Advocate to get these things if a teacher is not the type of tea. That really knows how to meet the needs and that is shaming them and saying you’re just lazy your kids not trying your kids off task. They just you know don’t care about school. Now for parents what can parents do well parents obviously can understand executive function for one thing. So you have to really understand executive function look at my article on Executive function and in print that PDF and really soak it in. Okay, so that’s number one in really understand executive function. What I produce them that paper is enough for you to get a good grasp of it. That was the goal of that article to you have to understand the systems that these kids need and there is a finite amount of systems and I think when parents and kids can wrap their heads around these are the systems we need to master then it at least gives you a place to start templeman systems what I mean by systems is a system for organizing papers. I prefer color-coded folders at system of using a planner. I do not like school planners. I like monthly planners yada yada. This is all in my Course I send out when you sign up for my blog refer to that stuff. It’s good it explains the system case systems for advocacy systems for for managing the school work. So there is a finite amount and once you get that then you can start refining the systems to you have to understand that for these kids. You have to really look at personalizing systems personalizing them for your child’s idiosyncrasies. Your child’s uniqueness. Your child’s unique processing style your child unique brain. Okay, you can’t just do what everybody else does for example, the three-ring binder that a lot of schools Force kids to use for kids who struggle with executive function 3-ring binders are horrible because as you said your kid at swimming are drowning and details 3-ring binders require way too much time and effort to manage the details now structured organize kids love ring binders these kids don’t they don’t need to be managing all those details. They need to be learning and then having time for themselves at hopefully at night as you probably know there is little if any research that shows that any homework before high school does any good whatsoever, so, I’m a lot of homework is busy working and is is not helpful. So if your kid is really needs downtime you need to advocate for that. Anyhow, the point was was the new ones of systems the system have to be personalized to these kids not the same systems as everybody else very very important. Number three for parents Advocate Advocate Advocate Advocate. Look at my application blogs. And when you Advocate like CC people, like really fight free kid came ashore to keep them bulleted given to the point you from solution-focused keep them focused on that. You guys are all in the same team trying to help your kid and but do beat the squeaky wheel don’t be ashamed my messages like helicopter parents and stuff like that. Do not listen to that shame that our culture has ignore it do what your kid needs. This is a critical time 6th grade is an absolutely critical time. They can they are transitioning hugely. Fifth grade, they’re learning other absolutely bombarded with tons of new teachers tons of new says it’s overwhelming to the nervous system. It’s overwhelming emotionally. It’s overwhelming socially and it’s even overwhelming physically. These kids are worn down 6th grade is hard for a lot of kids. So Advocate Advocate Advocate listen to your gut because it’s probably right but just keep them short keep them team-oriented that you’re all on the same team and focused on the actions that need to be taken to support your child. Next routines. Your parents can help their kids have routines making a daily plan. I have these on my website somewhere. If you look up daily planner today’s plan and look at how I teach how to do this kids don’t know how to make a daily plan and then they say I got to do homework and they don’t even know where to start they have to learn to plan so that they can have a starting point. And so that it could become concrete what I was talking about at the very beginning of this video. So print off the daily plans for my site. Is in there free just take advantage of it. It’s there. They need routines for going to bed. They need routines for the Sunday overhaul or the weekly overhaul that I talked about on my site. If you don’t do that Weekly overall and your kids in sixth grade to really missing a great opportunity for them to learn how to reset all their systems on a weekly basis. Okay. These kids do not know even know where to start a break it all down for you so routines and then finally I want to talk about chunking you Chunk in two ways by task and by time, this is a great white shark bite ask you write all the tasks that a lot of times these kids feel like it’s too big of a task. It’s overwhelming. So you want to junk it down into small pieces and trunk by time. Can you work on your homework for 5 minutes? 10 minutes 15 minutes chunk it down so that it’s not overwhelming. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. These kids have to eat the elephant they have to do so much has Apple ever run into them. It has to not feel overwhelming. It has to be bite-size where they’re going to get overwhelmed and they’re going to get more over arms and 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th and 12th, and they’re going to sink in they’re going to go through the same patterns and looking to get more discouraged and they’re really going to struggle and then what’s going to happen is what happened to me when I failed out of college. I almost out of the second college but I dropped out of college. I felt like a failure. I didn’t know that I could do anything with my life. I didn’t know how to manage this stuff and I had to learn all that so you can totally bypass and avoid that if you if you give them these structures to a chunk by Time by task so to recap Teachers there two types left and right brain and within the left brain, there’s some that understand right-brainers and some that don’t they make the two mistakes that these teachers sometimes make is that they do not understand executive function and they blame it on the wrong things like laziness teaching their and they’re trying to teach him responsibility and they’re just looking at it the wrong way in the steak number two is that these teachers don’t understand the time and energy that is required for these kids the process and they just think they need to work harder or something and I’m missing the boat the solutions are that they learn about executive function and that they have alternate ways of meeting a kids need then they focus on those for parents the what is going to be helpful is to understand that there are sis a finite amount of systems. Make sure that you you help your child develop those systems in a way that is personalized to them. And Taylor to them advocate for them and be the squeaky wheel and don’t worry about it. Like say what you need to say and speak your truth and get the support you need and don’t stop pushing for it. Okay, and Implement routines like the daily plan in the Sunday night overall and chunk things down by time and by task. I know that was a lot in this video. Don’t worry about memorizing all of it. Just try to implement whatever you can. Okay, it’s a lot. This is a very packed question. It was a short question, but it’s there’s so much to do at so just hang in there parents. Keep pushing forward. Keep pushing forward keep pushing forward. Listen to what your kids need to trust your gut and good luck to you. I’ll see you soon.He’s 13, in 8th grade. He loses most worksheets, project rubrics, classwork, etc! He has a binder with sections for each class, some things make it in, and many others don’t. When they do make it home, I make copies of important stuff that he needs for fear of them being lost. He doesn’t know where the lost things go, help! He is missing an important worksheet due tomorrow and words/definitions they did in class that he needs to study for a test. How do we prevent him from losing so many papers? What systems work/don’t work for you? Is this something I should be punishing him for or no? It’s so frustrating!!
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Hey everybody what’s up? This is Seth with SethPerler.com. I hope you’re having a great start to the school year. I have an awesome question from Christie. She says her son is 13, he’s in eighth grade. “He loses most worksheets, project rubrics, classwork, etc. He has a binder with sections for each class, somethings make it in and many others don’t. When they do make it home, I make copies of the important stuff for the fear of them being lost. He doesn’t know where the lost things go. Help! He’s missing an important worksheet that’s due tomorrow of words, definitions, things they did in class that he needs to study for a test. How do we prevent him from losing so many papers? What systems work or don’t work for you? Is this something that I should be punishing him for or no? It’s so frustrating.” I hear your frustration. This is a really difficult and complicated issue and there’s a lot of aspects to it. I’ll try to cover some of that and hopefully give you some guidance and solutions that might work for you. So he’s 13 and he’s in eighth grade. Obviously, next year in 9th-grade things are going to get even more intense. So taking this very seriously this year is really important, and one of the things I want to mention about that is because you’re not going to be able to make copies forever. You’re going to get even more papers next year. So one of the things that I want to mention about getting this done this year is doing the weekly overhaul. It sounds like you’re very involved and that’s awesome. The weekly overhaul on my blog I send out to everyone is covered in my mini-course, I just resent it out everybody actually, but on the weekly overhaul, what I recommend is if Sunday night’s work for you, is that every Sunday night you go over all the systems and sort of to reset like you would do on your telephone, but you’re doing a reset of the folders and the planner and everything. And on that reset night, on that Sunday night or whatever time you choose to do that with your child, you go over everything, you go through everything with a fine-tooth comb. So when I’m working with clients, I’m doing this at least on a weekly basis. I’m going through every single pocket in the backpack. I have them bring everything home from school. I don’t want anything in the locker or in the school desk, whichever one they have depending on what age they are and what the school is like. I want everything with us so that we can go through everything with a fine-tooth comb because they don’t track details well, so they need to be supported. Especially if they’re going to get a dinged by the school for not having stuff. You really need to make sure they have it, but you also want to teach them to have that system. So anyhow part of what I would do this whole eighth grade year is do a Sunday overhaul, but it sounds like you’re already doing a lot of that. But that’s something I would keep doing the entire school year. You want to do what’s called a gradual release of responsibility, which means that week by week, month by month, you’re getting your child to take more responsibility for the process of getting organized. Of course, your child needs to spend a lot of time just doing the homework and studying right now and probably doing makeup work, unfortunately, but as the year goes on you want them to take more of the responsibility of getting it organized. So, “he has a binder with sections for each class. Somethings make it in but many other things don’t.” If he’s not required to use binders by the school, don’t like binders that all, I like simple folders. Now for a kid like that who loses tons of stuff, I would probably just go with literally the folding folders that don’t even have pockets. One-color for each class, so a blue one, red one, green one, yellow one, orange one, whatever. And I would probably give them a zip binder that those can go in. And at this point I would just want my child to get it in that thing, just get the papers in the backpack. I’m not so concerned about the folders. When they get home you can help them reorganize the folders everyday for a while, if you can do that. I mean this kid really is starting from ground zero. They really need to be starting from a place assuming that they really don’t know how to do this and build from there. So simple, simple, simple system. I would not use a binder. It’s just too tedious for your child to use. So I would cancel the binder and get some simple folders. You could do the pocket folders, either one is fine. But simple folders. And for this kiddo. I would use a ‘Queue folder’. If you look at my blog and look up the word queue in the blog search and watch the video about the queue. The queue is just sort of a catch-all place because if I was working with your kid, I would tell them, “Look, either get the papers in the right folder or at the very least jam them into the queue and we’ll deal with them after school.” So at least if they’re not putting the wrong papers in the wrong folders or papers from the wrong class into a folder that’s not for that class, at least if it’s stray in the backpack or it’s in the queue you can reorganize it. So I’d probably start with that. I also talked a lot about minimalism. I would not keep stuff that does not need to be kept. If you’re making copies of important stuff that’s one thing, and I would have an archive. I talk a lot about an archive, but I would not keep anything that does not need to be kept. I would trash it if it’s completed work and it’s been graded and the teachers put in the Gradebook, done. Get rid of it. If you’re afraid they’ll need it to study for a test, 99% of the time they don’t because the teacher will give a study guide. So that’s the big misconception a lot of times. If they really do that’s one issue, but mostly I want them to have 5 to 10 papers in any given folder at any given time. I wanted to be pretty current work. I don’t want them to have a bunch of old stuff in there. So I would help with that. “He said he doesn’t know where the lost things go.” He probably really doesn’t know where they go. “He’s missing an important worksheet due tomorrow.” I would be advocating for him, emailing the teacher. A lot of teachers will put this stuff online so that you can get it. So I’d be scouring the teacher’s websites. I’d be emailing them like heck. I wouldn’t be emailing them long emails. I’d email short bullet emails. “We need support. We need help. My kid is struggling with executive function, please support us. Can you please help us with copies. our kid just loses them.” Every year I get it a kid or two who I start working with and I start going through the backpack, and I start pulling everything out, and I noticed there are some papers where there’s like three copies of the exact same thing and none of them are done. And I say, “Why do you have three copies of this?” And they say, “Oh well I lost one so I asked the teacher for another one, then asked for another one.” So that’s these kids. That’s the kiddo you have. And so those teachers that are making all those copies, they’re really nice to do that. But if they can email it to you, that’s a lot easier. If your child can take a picture of it or the teacher can take a picture of it, that’s a lot easier also. And if the teacher already keeps it online on their site, that’s the best because then everything gets covered and that there is no problem. “So how do we prevent him from losing so many papers?” I would say use the queue. Do daily overhauls for now. For probably the first 8 weeks of school, I would do a daily overhaul with or without him. I’d reorganize. Sometimes I would do it with him, but sometimes I would just do it for him. He does not have the skill. It’s not going to magically appear. So as far as punishing him, the word punishment, I wouldn’t punish him because it’s not going to change the behavior. Is it a ‘can’t or won’t it?’ It sounds like he can’t. He does not have the executive function skills to do what he is being asked to do. So punishing him is not going to change that behavior. Now consequences, there’s a time and a place for a natural appropriate consequence that’s going to make a connection between what’s going on here. It might heighten his awareness and change the behavior. So try it, you know, I had a mom recently saying that she threatened to go into her middle schools’ School in the classroom to deal with it, in front of everybody, if he didn’t do certain things and you know, that’s an appropriate consequence. It’s like I said, she was so fed up. She’s going to go in there and regardless of how embarrassing it is for him, she’s going to get what needs to be gotten. And that has affected this kid, not that that’s going to work for everybody. But you have to really think is that an appropriate thing? You’re not doing it out of anger, you’re drinking out of this frustration obviously, but not at anger towards your child. You’re trying to support your child. If you come at it from that frame and you like, “Look, I’m going to do this. If you don’t do X, Y, and Z this needs to happen.” It might help, but it sounds like this kiddo really does need to build the system. So simple folder system, a simple queue system, really being on top of them every day for a couple of months. So I hope that helps a little bit, and it’s a really complicated issue and I wish I could be hands-on with the kiddos so that I could help you but that’s you know, I just can’t. But check out my course, that course video on the queue, and that might help too. Okay, good luck. Take care.